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It's no longer a question of allowed, Jon. People create alts all the time and it's hard to track who's who. Banning is pretty much useless and I stopped using it over a year ago.

Exactly how would the CGCC regulate a real estate business? I'm not trying to do anything here I think is illegal. If the CGCC wants to regulate my 0 games and their payout rates sure. If we're gonna run a legimate business platform in this game we can't let scams run because we are afraid of what will happen if the government takes a look.

You seemed to claim you have her tracked very well.

I think what Lordfly is trying to say, is that if the CGCC decides that the Linden Dollar is a gaming "token" or "poker chip" -- then anything purchased with it is now up for regulation.

Much like how using chips/tokens to purchase drinks, hotel rooms, etc are supposed to fall under their regulation in RL.

I guess we'll have to see if not this incident another one later. Since the $L's intended purpose isn't gambling and my business has no affiliation with or symbiotic relationship with any casino's let's hope I'm in the clear. I do know we can't hide from government attn forever. If we all have to fear government attn because some run casino's thats a serious problem for everyone that raises further questions for SL as a business platform.

I believe I have identified her 2 other alts, but I can't ever really know for sure how many others she has.

How many times would I have to ban you or your other alts before you got the hint?

So, you fully covered the payout regardless of the exploit?

I covered everything legitimate plus a healthy sum on top of that. I did not give her the L$ from the exploit.

To be fair to you, it sounds like you paid out at least for one jackpot (10K). You mean to say she had accrued several of the exploited jackpots?

i find this statement very odd, although I'm sure you've had experiences that led to this impression. However, as a counter example, one of my favorite builder teams in SL right now is rez menoptra and endira udal. They joined at the very end of 2005 and immediately got attention out of the sheer quality of their builds. I discovered them because other builders I know were psyched to see such great new talent working in SL.

Anyone who judges quality based on how long someone has been in SL versus what they've actually created, probably can't build worth a damn themselves.

He..He..He....NO! F@$& that, I would have never stood for that, I would bitch and moan and complain and spam and everything, of course I would make a few alters and SPAM the hell out of the linden answer threads if they didn't do anything, I would IM everyone I knew who would IM everyone they knew, and so on, I would take his name and put it up in sandboxes and other places saying he was a scammer, I would have called and e-mail the Linden Labs until I got what was RIGHTFULLY mine, thats a lot of money.. hey 10k I would be PISSED. I don't let people play those kinds of games with me. I would make sure to post the linden conversation everywhere as well. I would find the guy, he would be best to stay in his land and ban me, cause if he goes out of his CRACK-POT casino I would get him OR call in A linden, A linden don't come, linden don't answer..... SPAM THE HELL OUT OF THEM. HELLO MR. LINDEN, REMEMBER THE TOS?? DID YOU FORGET ABOUT YOUR OWN RULES ALREADY??

I just had to get that off my chest, seems the lindens have been screwing up a lot lately, against a lot of poeple, including me. Thats why I hate casinos, not one of them is not rigged in some way. Not to seem evil nothing but its all true....

Simply enough. No matter how much you trust someone, ppl talk, word gets around. One reason not to tell secrets..they are very hard to keep.

Mine was a general statement as well, and apologies to those who are helpful...there are some few. The vast majority however are too concerned with fleecing otehrs to help anyone or encourage anyone. Maybe you're too new to ahve made a build where everything was lined up, including textures, in roughly half the time they took only to hear them say new ppl shouldn't build, then go look at thier stuff and tehre are gaps you can drive a mac truck through. OK I ahven't been here two years yet, but..this new guy can build and I built worlds before..not just simple little plots of land with ridiculously low prim limitations..plus I did it as I set out to fairly lag free.

Yes it does. ALmost as bad as jacking prices on freebies adn reselling them to unsuspecting folks.LOL

i play tonys games daily. i win thousands upon thousands at a time. 10k, 20k, 30k is par.

obviously i dont win daily, but i win enough to pay 100% of my SL spending/tier and a few RL bills monthly.

tony has been in SL and an upstanding businessman longer than anyone posting in this thread (except lordfly).

ms. black and her many alts (cant control herself well enough to hide their identities) are constantly an issue, both to the community at large and to the various liason lindens. i have had several personal experiences with all of her.

shes the kind of person you like to get riled up because youre bored. kinda like the neighborhood dog when you were a kid.

I've long wondered why we don't have some sort of player run Better Business Bureau or Consumer Reports? Would make sence that with all the potential bad business that we'd have a place to voice complaints.

AMEN!!!!!!!!!

This is the kind of thing we're referring to, where someone's length of time wuantifies them as higher quality. I don't know Tony, and prehaps the statement is true. I do however know some who ahve been here longer and are highly dishonest, yet have other long timers defend them regularly. Once again can't name names in the Forums but in truth if Tony is an honest long timer he is one of very few. If so Tony..hat's off to you. Was not an insult jsut a simple statement

I think we all need to take a good look at this one right here....

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OK... thanks for that absolutely useless post.

its not a question of whether my statments are true or false. Tony's reputation in the community is solid, strong and true. there is no disputing that.

this is a very simple case to draw a conclusion from. you have a disgruntled player with obvious issues trying to cheat their way to easy winnings against a well-known, long established, reputable casino owner.

Hi Kaboom. No, she was playing a L$10 machine which means if she had actually gotten a jackpot, it would have been L$100k. I have her L$10k, which was way more than she had won on the machine without the exploit, but still not what she would have gotten if she had gotten the jackpot.

I see. Well, it sounds like you did the honorable and honest thing by paying out to someone who, perhaps, didn't exactly deserve it. If what you have said here is true, then I have to say that Stacey hasn't been totally forthcoming with the facts. In fact, her posts have seemingly been downright misleading. And...I guess I owe LL an apology in this case for having jumped to conclusions before having all the facts. As it is now, it appears that Live Help handled this correctly.

I have known Tony since I started SL and am very addicted to his games, I have had troubles in the past where an update or a bug would make oneof the games malfunction, Tony has ALWAYS been very helpful and has even paid or offered to "pay me for my troubles"..
I have also known Stacey Black since her and her many alts began playing Tony's games, I have yet to meet this person face to face in game but I have a long history of harrasment filed against her for IM's she would send harrasing anytime one of her scores were beat..Stacey Black, Kelly Neville, and Corey Craven are the ones I am most familar with, I am unsure if there are more of her alts...
I am really suprised Tony has tolerated her this long, she is a very poor sport...
I think Tony giving her the $10K was more than fair, do you think this episode of her claiming Tony as a scammer has stopped her from playing his games? HA! I WISH!

once. And your customers have stood up for you. I personally don't understand not taking all possible steps to deal with a griefer, but it's obvious thats what this case is. Having never even heard of you before, I investigated based on what I could see which raised questions for me. What I will stick with is in the event of a real gaming scam the CGCC would be my first recommendation for contact. I would also rather see this be an open platform that doesn't have to hide from government eyes to operate than to turn a blind eye to real big money scams.

I have to say I have played this game for a very long time. I have had friends and staff who have won a few hundred to hundreds of thousands of Linden from his games. He does pay people well to detect bugs in his systems and games. If someone won 100k he would pay it. I know many other venues that would ban a player for winning too much and I have never seen this action from Tony. Im sorry Stacy as for reputation he has established it and knows that a simple 100K isnt something to throw that way for.