What about the poor people with no talent?

Same thing apply for us? *winks* Actually, between a college strike, and my darn ISP charging BY THE MEGABYTE now (and they are the only game in town so they have a monopoly) I honestly have no spare dough for Lindens. (My internet bill went up 300% since they changed pricing structure!) I will not be able to take this approach, but it is nice to know of someplace to buy where one doesn't have to have a verified paypal account (which takes forever and means giving not only cc info but also bank account info over the net, something which I am just reeeeeely uncomfortable doing).

What a crazy place to live!!! Time to move!

Have you looked into Satellite hookup? You get a slower upload, but DirectTV & the sort are national & have standard rates.

I have, and I would need to invest $500 in a satellite dish and a bit more to pay someone to install it, which they could only do on their way down from another larger centre or up from one. Then I would still need to pay to USE the satellite. However, if I am to pay $180/month rather than $60, that satellite dish might start looking more attractive.

Oh, also, is DirectTV a cable access provider? I wish we had one. We do not. The nearest town with cable-company offered internet services is 4 hours drive away. (perhaps i've finally found a down-side to living in canada!)

Ty for the helpful suggestions, though. My first approach is to try to convince the phone company that I am a business and need more broadband with a higher cap on my maximum usage before they start charging per the MB. This will leave me paying the $180 per month instead of, say, $220, as I will have to for the first month of the pricing structure change. *grimaces and hates the law of supply and demand, wishing to break it over and over* (Oh btw, these prices Are Canadian. lol. not QUITE that bad in USD, but bad enough!)

I invite you to try Belizian ISP connections. One fiber-optic cable out of Miami serving the entire Caribbean. We were down for a week a couple of months ago when a ship dragged it's anchor over the cable and broke it.

One provider - the government. Unstable electricity. No hurricanes atm. And we actually pay more for our DSL than we do for our rent. Yay!!

We call it goat.net affectionately

To save money, you can reduce your upload bandwidth by leaving out unnecessary letters, etc. Here is a rendition of your above quote, in a more economical format:

Oh crap. This post just wasted more of your bandwidth, didn't it?

Damn, y'all need a hug. or less caffeine. I'm gonna put it in the eloquent words of my old high school baseball coach, "Shut up and play". This side, you can make stuff, and charge for it in world, the other side, you can't make stuff and can't afford to buy the stuff the other side makes. Answer? Quit buying, the prices'll come down eventually. Supply and demand, people, you demand something, they'll charge what they can get away with. If the demand's no longer there, the price WILL drop accordingly.

However, IF you want it, then just bite the bullet and buy it. Get over the petty bickering, and just play the damn game.

Shade

Hiro, i use DirecWay satellite "broadband" on some weekends when I am out in the boonies. Websites are pretty fast, but SL is very difficult and frustrating because of the lag. It is playable at times, but only barely. Moving around is nearly impossible and becomes very tentative. You tend to be stuck in place, then hurled 3/4 of a sim...

chat is possible, but I don't really attempt to build anything on that connection anymore

Poor people with no talent? I shall use some prims and build a workhouse!

If you are poor and have no talent then make friends. Good friends will entertain you, give you things (objects, money, scripts, clothes, etc.), teach you things (directly or indirectly), help you meet other friends, etc. Im not saying become a leech but I am saying just make some friends and take it from there. Explore the place, get ideas, etc. Even with no talent you can provide something. Get an idea for something (even if you cant make it), have friends help you create it, then sale it to the public and give your friends a cut of the action. I know when I started I had very little skill so I did simple things like upload artwork and sound files for sale. But the best thing I had were my friends. I could be using the default SL AV and still have fun with my friends. And dont worry if you cant buy new jeans every other day. I was making decent money from my business and wore the same outfit for 6 months straight. In the end SL isnt about who has the most bling, its about finding good friends and exploring places/ideas.

WHAT?! ACK!!

Ooooh, your Canadian.

No, its the bling.

Canadian? LOL.. They have hurricanes in Canada?

My bad I misread and confused you for Persephone! Oops!

I don't think... in my own opinion ... that is the message at all
first off I was a basic member first with the same issues the newbies have coming into SL now .. yes there is a 10.00 lifetime fee but you continue to pay that on a monthly basis too
it isn't just pay once and never contribute again ... there is probably more ppl paying that 10.00 monthly fee then there is premium members because ppl just can't afford the REAL LIFE monies. so they take the more economical way in order to frequent a great 3D chat game like SL
In my view that is the back bone here for SL ... and as in real the middle income ppl are the back bone to the country's support. I realize myself this is just a game chat but I can't see how anyone can be blinded by it's simularities of REAL ... when money talks here .... yes nothing is for free and in Real you work in some way for what you can get .... some struggle too ... some have it easy ... SL is like this also ... and Real dollars do enter this game Big time!!!!!
What amazes me over the time .. is how ppl can take perfectly free things and sell them for big dollars to newbies who don't learn until it's too late. The prices in SL are at many times just out of reach for many ... THE BACK BONES .. who are probably a majority here.
the cost is so bad and each day you see someone sending out votes asking if you want to vote on charging for script usage .. Soon they will charge everyone to fly and transport and whatever ... comes from this... Soon I am afraid .. the expense of this game could ruin some ppl in REAL ... once they get their credit card statements .... so don't take the REAL lightly.. cuz it enters Real .. in every aspect .... if this is to be a place for all .. to join and come together ... maybe there should be a limit to pricing .. make it reasonable to other who would probably buy all the wares those talented ppl in SL have but can't .. because of Money Issues .... this game IS about money actually... BIG TIME
With my own eyes I have watched a few come into SL as newbies and beg .. to get where they are right now... and these ppl don't give out too much time helping anyone like they were once helped ... Just shakes my head !!!!
if your lucky enough to not have to worry about cost or you are very talented in scripting and or graphics design .. you are golden .... but pplz .. don't let that make you blind ... we all started out at the bottom I think sometime.... in a nut shell I think this person was trying in a discreet way to say .. items here in SL are just for the rich and famous... and there is nothing more anyone seems to care about ... when it comes to the poor folk ... I just hope SL doesn't money themselves out of the one thing that keeps them going ... That majority of ppl who do pay that monthly lifetime membership .. and plz don't take what I have said wrong..... here or out of it's content.. as I too am into graphics and have designed for many in other chats I have found SL to have an Attitude in ppl .. who frequent .. and they all seem to be worried to give away some sort of golden secrets . that don't allow you to grow .. in SL I am still trying to figure that one out ... but as many others I know I will find good ppl out there who are willing to share thoise secrets... smiles .... as I will too in order to help others.. in any small or big way I can ... so hugz to all and ty for letting me unload.. TTFN !!!

Just found this.
Read none of it.

"What about the poor people with no talent?"

Charley Darwin cud tell ya

hehehe
Goin down with forum-fever again I think....................
Looks like its the day after tomorrow already, judgin by the birds .......

my eyes! they burn!

Well yes - newbies have been selling freebies since I logged in the first time in SL, and I'd say they have been doing that since Beta And begging has also been along for a long, long time.

While I certainly disagree (and did post in this very same thread to the effect) that "SL is all about money" or that "some people have no talent at all" - both are just a very limited way to look at SL, since we ALL have some talents, we just need to find out how to profit from marketing them - Enchtris raises another important point: new residents are simply to unprepared to enter SL for the first time, and are victims of conning and all sorts of scams every day.

Fortunately, I think that this issue is not being "ignored" by LL. Once in a time, someone from LL posts something agreeing that there should be more documentation. When the new Welcome Area came up, we expected a bit more information available there. The Orientation Island could also benefit from more information. So, the better you're informed, the easier you'll be a "victim" (or "prey"...) of the beggars/con artists in SL.

I also think that there is a trade-off somewhere. If the first time you log in you get a pop-up telling you "WARNING! Several residents are unethical and you should take steps to avoid being conned, and report all abuse!" -- well, I'd say this will scare off several new residents. So, an effort has to be done to inform the new residents about unethical behaviour (besides what's stated on the too-long and never-read-to-the-end ToS) and what they should expect in-world without scaring them off. I tend to inform people about those behaviours on the Mentor classes I used to host, but due to such low attendance, I'm afraid this is definitely not enough.

This is starting to be a bit off-topic However, to the scammers, con artists, beggars, etc., the only thing I can say is what I've already posted in this thread: there are no human beings without talents. Marketing them, however, is not always obvious. Resorting to scams and begging is defintely not the best way to employ your creative talents on SL - although I can understand that sometimes it's the easiest way... until you get an abuse report for violating ToS.

Yes they do ...
http://www.atl.ec.gc.ca/weather/hurricane/climatology/preview_e.html

God ppl ...
you all have great points in the forum to air . and lots are very defensive when it comes to discussing SL .. and most reply to an original issue but wonder far from the actual topic ... all have bits and pieces of info or knowledge but no one really seems to be hitting the nail .. The what about poor ppl ... is only a side to the cube that does seem to get ignore.. while the others who do!!!! find it easier just go flying by!!!
For those who think this is a Game .. your right... it did begin this way .. as did other 3d chats ... Alpha world .....Worlds Chat and so on .... but there is one glitch ... when ppl begin to enter real dollars to make investments or gain assets in a game ... it becomes more then that... so I don't agree with those who are blinded and wale out excuses of .. get off the pot thing it's just a game... Strategies... are just as real in games as in RL .. and are used to manipulate .. it unfortunate how many go around with eyes wide open... and others can be so blind .. I do believe in what goes around comes around... So even tho I have struggled myself and still do.. I will enjoy what I learn and will be happy to tell my secrets... to others who need the help.
As I also said in another reply ... ppl who pay 10.00 for a lifetime membership.. just don't pay 10.00 one time .... they are subject to a monthly 10.00 to contimue for as long as they want at that price... In a comment made about MIT ... if 5000 ppl bought a tutition and there ciriculum was faulty ... yes!!! I think it should be changed ... it would be different if there was one or two complainers.. but when there is a large number like that.. then there is a problem that should be changed....
lSL has many Classes of ppl ... just in RL .. if your not talennted ... or have big dollars or popular ... so on and so on ... the Class drops.. into smaller categories.. and this is unfortunately how your judged .. sad but true ... I myself when a newbie .. was told to ask ppl things they are eager to help you ...NOT !!!
I have even had ppl laff at me.. because I didn't know.. anything or how to do it... sad too ... I know in my heart .. they were newbies too once.. and I bet they never got laffed at... or on the other hand maybe they did.. I do detect a sort of bitterness around some.. in SL and I have also met and got help from wonderful ppl who didn't even know me...
I am forever grateful there were ppl out there like that ...
the forum sometimes seems to either turn into a bashing place or whine... all in all ppl come here for help. I just don't agree that we should bash someone.. laff at them or belittle them because they have less then others ... It is a real concern to all who are members in SL .. be it the poor ppl or the ppl who own lots of things and get ripped off... I don't see a difference... I do see things in SL getting harder to reach.. for the lower clases or newbies coming in .... MONEY .. REAL MONEY .... from REAL LIFE .... plays a huge role... in this So called game ... and yes it is free to socialize for your 10.00 a month ..but how many temptations will fly by before you want a bite of that fruit yourself...
My last point is .. the freedom to chose .. where you love to chat ... these ppl or newbies or poor ppl tried the trial and fell in love with it... that is why they are here.... quite frankly they might just be that 5000 ppl that came from MIT ... hahaha.... and are our backbones here ..Our biggest supporters... 5000 ppl x 10.00 a month is pretty good dollars ... for one months income... winks... hugz to all ...... and thanks for letting me... air it out once again... Plzz .. in respect ... I ask not to have 50 replies to this note and it becomes another bashing session... TTFN !! En

Yup Torley, it even says that on the frontpage of secondlife.com right next to the price! You have to wonder when you see some people go off on long replies about SL and they dont even understand the cost structure.

dammn this so piss me off when these peoples are whining ... when i started SL i had nothing but a few lindens, the first thing i did was to go to the ivory tower to learn building since thats what made me join sl. I learned mostly everything i know almost alone and i think i did pretty well (thanks to the few friends that i have for theyr help and support).

sure at the begining i hadnt that much money and my first big expensens was for buying a simple vendor that made me earn a few bucks.

Seems somehow i found a way to grow since this point

And as for the nice experience i had here with "human relations" i keep my friends as a closed circle and share my "golden secrets" with them

It happened me to give away stuffs or to participate on opensource stuffs, but i do it fewer and fewer, i build and script stuffs that please me to build only, if someone want it then i will charge more or less or i will not, depending of how much i think its worth

These bunch of whiners piss me, you have to work one way or another to get stuffs in RL or in SL, i choosed SL free for you to choose one of them, but do not expect to be able to leasure on other's work for free.

Yeah, in my day, when I first came to Refugio as Wally Welesa and bought my first land, we had to walk everywhere, not fly. Because we were just too damn heavy, couldn't figure out how to fly, crashed into buildings, and smushed up against people's windows like flies on a windshield. We walked everywhere, over land, over sea, and damned if we didn't get bounced home by bounce scripts ever time. We kept walking, over and over and over again. It was damn hard. But we knew the value of a Linden. By God! We didn't just waste our simoleons on casinos, we saved. It was never enough, what with the costumes and the bling, but we worked hard at dancing.

Then everything changed when we went to our first drag queen contest at the Shelter. We won the prize. Well, the rest is history.