Simple economy fix - LL, are you listening?

id like to point out while linden labs does give so much L alot is given to other residents or spent. Its not jsut every person cashing out weekly. Your basis is more focused on That if that did happen then yes LL loses money. But they arnt losing USD at all the game is making them money but their stock is most likely low (financial problem in the gaming industry right now as a whole with stocks going down) they are getting a cut of each sale that goes through lindex and if its mass quanities of L they are making a large profit off it. the fact of the matter is its virtual currency. It doesnt cost them face value to make it they dont need to back it up. The better solution is one ive come up with it allows for some control and still allows a somewhat flexible economy at the same time. I Bring To You The Buffer Zone Solution To Linden Value - so lets put it into context have a set buffer of a max value of L being say 125L per 1 usd = out to 4 usd a week in premium stipend on the max side have a set minimum value of 300 to 1 usd doing all this while changing the minimum allowed to be sold to say 1k-2k blocks per prevents people from jsut cashing out stipends unless they plan on a bi weekly/monthly schedule it leaves people cashing out as being viable and adds some control on linden labs side of things so L value doesnt fall past a certain point. Its the simplest way to fix the linden problem without hurting the economy in any way shape or Form!

Because it's important to a number of the people who make SL fun and worth playing ?

I certainly hope they're not removing stipends, that would be idiotic. What Vasudha has hinted to is adjusting the number of L$ created through stipends to match the growth of economy.

I only had to use Lindex once to obtain money to buy a plot of land. I've never had a need to cash out.

Lewis

just because you dont have the need to doesnt count for the entire population look at it in a broader view and see if you still feel the same way!

So you do or you don't know how it works?

I wish people would stop calling me a 'communist' for having everyone's best interests at heart, instead of simply not giving a stuff about anyone except myself - which is what a lot of people here are doing.

Look outside of the prim. There are other things to do except make money.

If you are using SL to form a substantial real life income, you're treating it as welfare. Why not get a real job instead?

Lewis

I clearly said: within the scope of Lindex. Outside the scope of Lindex they could try to get it stabilised just to please those who think a stable currency is a show of health. Besides that there are actually few reasons to try and influence the L$ rate. I'm still convinced nobody is really hurt by the current decline.



We're talking trading volume. So if there's 1000L$ in game which is traded once daily you've a volume of 1000L$. If there's 10000L$ in game of which 1000L$ is traded you also have a volume of 1000L$. If there's 1000000000L$ in game of which 1000l$ is traded you still have a volume of 1000L$. As you can see there's no link between amount of L$ in game and trading volume.

That's exactly what fascism does: protect the group/nation's interests.

It's pretty obvious now that you don't have the slightest idea of how LindeX works.


Because there's NO JOB here, thank you very much. I love to do all those other things, but the sad fact of life is that if I can't make a living, then I can't do all those things

well some people for starters cant get a r/l job from disablities etc. Like i stated. And while there are other things to do it should be someones choice to cash out or not. Controlling of it needs to be done like i said it would prevent any problems from arising now or in the future!

If people are making a profit in SL it is because others are willing to pay. Creating things in SL is just as real a job as any other. I assume you consider real life painters, musicians, poets, writers, ... bastards for selling their creative exploits?

So if I came and bought a plot of land next to you and put up a huge ugly sign overhanging your property and insulting your creations, that would be perfectly acceptable? Because my right as an individual overrides the general good?

It's pretty clear that you have no idea how reality works. Perhaps you should step away from the computer for a little bit and realise that your actions actually do affect other people's experience in game.

Upgraded from communist to fascist. Fantastic. All I need now is for you to call me a nazi and I've got a full set of insults. Not a bad collection in one thread.

Lewis

You're free to criticize my creations, I believe in free speech. You're free to rent land in the same sim as me once the estate owner unbans you, but if you don't agree with the zoning regulations there I think your money will be better spent elsewhere.


That's no upgrade. Communism IS fascism. At least in my culture it is, where we actually have communists going around and making decisions in our name.

This is the problem. There is no incentive to learn.

Music, art, etc is a talent, that although can be encouraged and taught, does need some basic inherent natural skill.

Anyone in SL can build a house as good as any other player because we all have exactly the same tools as our basis. Scripting is a skill that anyone can learn given time (although I am still struggling).

People buy from other players mostly because they don't have the ability to make it themselves or the patience to learn. Sure, I buy things for exactly that reason - nothing to hide - but if there was an easier path to learning to doing things for onesself, that might encourage more people to exploit the creativity that SL provides.

Lewis

The most retard thing i ever read this week, and i readed some nice one.

I can't criticise your creations because I've never seen them.

So your 'estate owner' has banned me for absolutely no reason? What a joke. Don't you think that is somewhat pathetic, banning someone who has never caused you any problem in game? Someone needs a reality check that game and forums are separate. I will be firing off a stiff mail to them later when I find out who they are. It is infringing on my rights to freely explore the game, and such harrassment is a ToS violation.



Governments worldwide do that. Deal with it. Many of us are perfectly capable of living a good enough life in spite of those in power over us.

Lewis

Given some of the threads in "General" this past few days... that must be quite an achievement actually.

Lewis

Well you don't have my best interests at heart, and I'm part of everyone.
I really on SL to be able to interact with people, I'm increasingly unable to do so in RL for medical reasons. My income is severely reduced now, I rely on being able to sell L$ to pay my account and tier fees. No selling on the Lindex = no SL for me. Soon I'm going to need it to pay my internet connection as well.
Who are you to take away my ability to be a part of SL? For me, it's a question of access. Your 'SL is only a game and no other use is ok' excludes an afwul lot of people who use it for something more important than entertainment. Do you have any idea how many residents are disabled or have long term illnesses? My avi is a tool to do what my body doesn't allow RL. I don't expect a handout for that access, I'm happy to earn my keep.
And if other's self-interests are only profits and nothing else, that's ok too. Jealousy is not an issue for me, and I don't suffer from 'the little guy' complex.
Why do you have to impose your way on everyone? Have you been here long enough to be so dogmatic about what is right for SL? I've been here the same amount of time as you, I wouldn't feel that confident.

So you need an inherent natural skill to create art outside SL but not inside SL? Come on be serious. Tools are totally irrelevant when creating. A lot of things are made outside of SL anyway. You've the tool to upload a texture does that put you on an equal position with everybody else? A talented graphical artist will beat somebody without talent when it comes to creating clothes. And if people are willing to pay the clothes designer that's as fair as going to a store and buying the jacket you like.

Are you for real here? Anyone can build a house as good as anyone else? OMFG!??!
We may share a common interface, but we don't all have the same tools. Building is drawing in 3D, that's all it is. I spent 3 years at art school, I have more tools than some. Others have way more than me.
I've seen your builds. We definitely can't all build the same. I can tell you, put my stuff up against Lordfly Digeridoo, Juro Kothari, Aimee Webber or Seifert Surface and it'd be nice effort... but keep practising.
Scripting is a skill anyone can learn? I dunno, I'm pretty script-tarded. Maybe I could learn to do a basic light-switch, but beyond that, I doubt it.
No incentive to learn? How about because you like to learn? That's enough for me.
Your assertions become more preposterous with every post.

Neither do I. The only thing that could be even remotely called 'jealousy' is that I have to go to work to earn a living instead of being able to relax in front of a computer playing games all day.

I know I'd much rather be at home gaming instead of sitting at my desk shuffling bits of paper and making phone calls.

I never figure why so often people think my objection to the 'economy' is simply because I'm somehow considered incapable of being 'as good' as them. Given 18 hours a day to sit and play - and some money to start with - I am quite confident that I could easily reach the level of many whom are considered 'big names' in the SL world.

However, I prefer to concentrate more on reality, which isn't going to go away for hopefully about 50 years for me. SL could, theoretically, close down tomorrow and my life would not be negatively impacted except for having to find something else to fill the hours that I don't spend on SL.

Lewis

But I have every right to make my comments just like you do. I have no more influence over LL than you do either.

Lewis

u assume again that people just sit in front of the computer all day. alot still hold r/l jobs and just make a superior piece of content for the game . You keep leaving urself open to be completely wrong on all aspects of things you are saying. the fact they can earn a living proves they are working as well. They are doing graphic work or 3d design work which is what i do in the real world. This is just in an in game eviroment there is no difference other then that. THey are paid for their skills much like they would be if they did the job in real life. Its just much broader in SL as they dont need a degree to get into it! Your basis seems to lack any real substance on the front of people in general. You seem to be setting off on ur own social group or yourself not SL as a whole. Best interests at heart i dont believe if u wanted that u would of thought up something similar to what i did. my way saves SL basically it allows for the economy to fluxate but it also allows for control with a set limit. think about the effects of what you say on more then a tiny percent of the population and then repost something. Im tired of the posts with no real substance to the whole of SL

I love how you avoid addressing the bulk, and most important part of my post and focus on a one-line aside. Answer the questions.
And the first paragraph better not relate to me or I'll really be pissed. Did you not read my post? I'd love to be able to do more than the one night a week I can manage. I'd love to be out there more in RL, even if it was shuffling papers, but I can't. You're lucky you can concentrate on 'reality', my ability to is diminishing. If SL closes tomorrow, my life would be negatively impacted.

I have a better idea.

Ban anyone who thinks selling $L should be stopped.

Yes you do. Just be aware that your comments demonise people, are consistently negative, divisive, un-inclusive, ill-informed, discriminatory, polarising and I'm going to keep telling you so. I never questioned your right to comment, merely their substance.
Now look what you've done. I just missed NCIS.