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Dmitri Polonsky

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05-29-2006 18:30

From: Wayfinder Wishbringer

As far as "SL has no RL value"... ok, a matter of opinion.

Here are the facts behind mine.

The virtual items I sell on SL bring RL people RL pleasure.

The virtual items I sell on SL result in a virtual currency that has RL value.

The virtual art that is created on SL is still art, regardless of its virtual nature. Art transcends medium. Just because the medium is pixels rather than oil does not eliminate its RL value. It may not draw the same payment as a "RL" painting.. but it is RL art nonetheless. It just exists on a virtual canvas.

Tell Anshe that "SL has no RL value". She seems to enjoy a good laugh now and then.

Fact if SL closes it's doors tomorrow those items ppl dervive pleasure from are gone, and so its any RL money they paid for them.

Fact, that virtual currency only has real world value it two things BOTH are in accordance..ppl value them the same as you do and SL stays open. Again if it closes tomorrow your L's are gone.

Fact, the virtual art that you create in SL exists within SL only, and is not exportable in any6 way shapoe or form as long as you do NOT have the geometry file in your PC. It is only in SL and as such is only useable as art or mechanism within the confines of SL.

And as far as telling Anshe anything, in the first place she had a lot of help making it in the first place. Secondly, I know a bit about those "business" methods from eprsonal experience and personally would not indulge in them because I'd feel guilty as HE** about doing ppl the same way.

KatanaBlade Anubis

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Join date: 20 Jun 2004

Posts: 369

05-29-2006 18:40

From: Dmitri Polonsky

Fact if SL closes it's doors tomorrow those items ppl dervive pleasure from are gone, and so its any RL money they paid for them..

scarey thought but so true.

From: Dmitri Polonsky

Fact, that virtual currency only has real world value it two things BOTH are in accordance..ppl value them the same as you do and SL stays open. Again if it closes tomorrow your L's are gone..

value definetly only exsist by players. how much they value a persons skills.

From: Dmitri Polonsky

Fact, the virtual art that you create in SL exists within SL only, and is not exportable in any6 way shapoe or form as long as you do NOT have the geometry file in your PC. It is only in SL and as such is only useable as art or mechanism within the confines of SL..

grey area there considering primatives are only like lego blocks which can be so easily redesigned in 3D max. as far as usuable as art I disagree only because I have 6 years of photoshop art and textures on my computer I made and reuse in other 3D communities before. it is tangible and holds copyrights by real laws.

From: Dmitri Polonsky

And as far as telling Anshe anything, in the first place she had a lot of help making it in the first place. Secondly, I know a bit about those "business" methods from eprsonal experience and personally would not indulge in them because I'd feel guilty as HE** about doing ppl the same way.

.......lol just says nothing.

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Joannah Cramer

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05-29-2006 18:50

From: KatanaBlade Anubis

if it is apples and oranges then i supose having those physical things has no effect on the fact you can reply and debate here, and log into the virtual world and sit in your 3 bedroom home in SL. Not sure how other people do it but I have to use a computer that cost money, pay for cable, and electricity to reply to this post....

I think you lost me at this point, since i have no idea anymore what you're trying to say. Yes, your RL posessions or lack thereof do have impact on your ability to participate in SL. On the other hand your SL posessions or lack thereof have no impact on your ability to participate in RL. Which if anything, confirms what i said earlier -- that real and virtual worlds are very unlike one another, even if in both you can buy things labelled the same like 'house' or 'dress'.

From: someone

my apologies if you honestly ment that is a general sense

That's fine, when i was writing that i thought it's rather obvious it's meant generally, but admittedly i could've worded that better. Sorry about that ^^;

From: someone

it's all a want, some people chose to get entertainment on TV others online, and many jsut pick up a good book. but people still worked to make that entertainment.

Yes, obviously; the point is just, not _everyone_ is going to look at the pricing of SL items in terms of "it's still the same amount of real dollars", because they have no personal reason for this. Therefore, for some people this kind of price change is actual increase of price. And if they find such change too high, they will just vote with their money by not buying these items ... this is because --while it might sound rude when put this way, but i don't intend it as such-- ultimately the fact you are using virtual currency to support your RL needs is strictly your choice and as such "only your own problem". It's simply not possible to force others to look at these prices in the same way you do, i.e. as ratio of real and Linden dollars ... if/when they have no personal interest in looking at the prices this way in the first place.

From: someone

guess I am not the only one guessing.
I can not make you feel anything you don't want to feel that is impossible I am just a human. If you took that personal then that is because you wanted to.

Well, i cannot really take sentence like "You have not worked as hard and you are interested in so and so" ... as anything but personal remark, can i? I mean, "your customer" leaves a bit of leeway for the general kind of customer, but direct "you" not really .. oh well, but no point in digging further into this, since it's as offtopic as it goes. Let's just drop that ^^

KatanaBlade Anubis

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Posts: 369

05-29-2006 19:23

From: Joannah Cramer

I think you lost me at this point, since i have no idea anymore what you're trying to say. Yes, your RL posessions or lack thereof do have impact on your ability to participate in SL. On the other hand your SL posessions or lack thereof have no impact on your ability to participate in RL. Which if anything, confirms what i said earlier -- that real and virtual worlds are very unlike one another, even if in both you can buy things labelled the same like 'house' or 'dress'..

no I am saying that one does effect the other. it is like everything on this planet.
what song is that from when i was a little kid maybe you heard it.
there was an old lady who swallowed a fly, then swallowed a spider to catch the fly, swallowed a bird to catch the spider, swallowed a cat to catch the bird.

let me put it this way we pay our rent to have a roof, we pay the electric company to light up the lamp, we pay the computer company to buy a computer, we pay the cable company to use the internet, we pay linden lab to play and socialize. we pay creators for entertainment. they pay their rent to have a roof, they pay their electric company to turn on a light.....etc etc and it keeps cycling.

people can label it anything they want but there is something real involved whether they deny it or not. the point of the post is doubling prices. I cant say everyone is doubling them but I am sure they are rasing them. everytime there is a big update Linden lab says make sure your graphics card is updated.... that is real.
Comcast decides to raise your internet bill that is real.

that is my point entertainment isnt real, but the people behind the making of that entertainment is real with real skills that you pay for.

From: Joannah Cramer

That's fine, when i was writing that i thought it's rather obvious it's meant generally, but admittedly i could've worded that better. Sorry about that ^^;.

lol np was a misunderstanding on both our parts.

From: Joannah Cramer

Yes, obviously; the point is just, not _everyone_ is going to look at the pricing of SL items in terms of "it's still the same amount of real dollars", because they have no personal reason for this. Therefore, for some people this kind of price change is actual increase of price. And if they find such change too high, they will just vote with their money by not buying these items ... this is because --while it might sound rude when put this way, but i don't intend it as such-- ultimately the fact you are using virtual currency to support your RL needs is strictly your choice and as such "only your own problem". It's simply not possible to force others to look at these prices in the same way you do, i.e. as ratio of real and Linden dollars ... if/when they have no personal interest in looking at the prices this way in the first place.

everyone has the right to not buy something

that is the way it is

but my virtual money is my real life time and skills. Linden lab wouldnt be able to charge 1250 US dollars for a sim if people can not trade their virtual money for real money...who in their right mind is going to pay $1250 to chat......

From: Joannah Cramer

Well, i cannot really take sentence like "You have not worked as hard and you are interested in so and so" ... as anything but personal remark, can i? I mean, "your customer" leaves a bit of leeway for the general kind of customer, but direct "you" not really .. oh well, but no point in digging further into this, since it's as offtopic as it goes. Let's just drop that ^^

agreed to drop it as i said it is a misunderstanding on both our parts and off topic

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Wayfinder Wishbringer

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05-29-2006 21:29

From: Dmitri Polonsky

Fact if SL closes it's doors tomorrow those items ppl dervive pleasure from are gone, and so its any RL money they paid for them.

And how does that differ from say, a RL home burning down tomorrow? All things are perishable Dmitri. That does not alter their current value.

From: someone

Fact, that virtual currency only has real world value it two things BOTH are in accordance..ppl value them the same as you do and SL stays open. Again if it closes tomorrow your L's are gone.

People faced the same thing when banks closed in the 1920s. So SL is different how?

From: someone

Fact, the virtual art that you create in SL exists within SL only, and is not exportable in any6 way shapoe or form as long as you do NOT have the geometry file in your PC. It is only in SL and as such is only useable as art or mechanism within the confines of SL.

Not a fact. That art CAN be exported to RL by the simple click of a SAVE HIGH RESOLUTION option. Therefore, it IS usable outside the mechanism of SL. People do so all the time.

From: someone

And as far as telling Anshe anything, in the first place she had a lot of help making it in the first place. Secondly, I know a bit about those "business" methods from eprsonal experience and personally would not indulge in them because I'd feel guilty as HE** about doing ppl the same way.

Whether she did or not (I have no idea), what does that have to do with anything? I'm sorry Dmitri, you're just arguing now for the sake of arguing. I don't have time for that. Deny the "real value" of SL all you want... doesn't make it so nor will most people agree with you. I think the RL value of SL is pretty obvious.

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Prices Doubling?
Dmitri Polonsky Registered User Join date: 26 Aug 2005 Posts: 562	05-29-2006 18:30 From: Wayfinder Wishbringer As far as "SL has no RL value"... ok, a matter of opinion. Here are the facts behind mine. The virtual items I sell on SL bring RL people RL pleasure. The virtual items I sell on SL result in a virtual currency that has RL value. The virtual art that is created on SL is still art, regardless of its virtual nature. Art transcends medium. Just because the medium is pixels rather than oil does not eliminate its RL value. It may not draw the same payment as a "RL" painting.. but it is RL art nonetheless. It just exists on a virtual canvas. Tell Anshe that "SL has no RL value". She seems to enjoy a good laugh now and then. Fact if SL closes it's doors tomorrow those items ppl dervive pleasure from are gone, and so its any RL money they paid for them. Fact, that virtual currency only has real world value it two things BOTH are in accordance..ppl value them the same as you do and SL stays open. Again if it closes tomorrow your L's are gone. Fact, the virtual art that you create in SL exists within SL only, and is not exportable in any6 way shapoe or form as long as you do NOT have the geometry file in your PC. It is only in SL and as such is only useable as art or mechanism within the confines of SL. And as far as telling Anshe anything, in the first place she had a lot of help making it in the first place. Secondly, I know a bit about those "business" methods from eprsonal experience and personally would not indulge in them because I'd feel guilty as HE** about doing ppl the same way.
KatanaBlade Anubis House of Blade Join date: 20 Jun 2004 Posts: 369	05-29-2006 18:40 From: Dmitri Polonsky Fact if SL closes it's doors tomorrow those items ppl dervive pleasure from are gone, and so its any RL money they paid for them.. scarey thought but so true. From: Dmitri Polonsky Fact, that virtual currency only has real world value it two things BOTH are in accordance..ppl value them the same as you do and SL stays open. Again if it closes tomorrow your L's are gone.. value definetly only exsist by players. how much they value a persons skills. From: Dmitri Polonsky Fact, the virtual art that you create in SL exists within SL only, and is not exportable in any6 way shapoe or form as long as you do NOT have the geometry file in your PC. It is only in SL and as such is only useable as art or mechanism within the confines of SL.. grey area there considering primatives are only like lego blocks which can be so easily redesigned in 3D max. as far as usuable as art I disagree only because I have 6 years of photoshop art and textures on my computer I made and reuse in other 3D communities before. it is tangible and holds copyrights by real laws. From: Dmitri Polonsky And as far as telling Anshe anything, in the first place she had a lot of help making it in the first place. Secondly, I know a bit about those "business" methods from eprsonal experience and personally would not indulge in them because I'd feel guilty as HE about doing ppl the same way. .......lol just says nothing. _____________________ Main Shop & Owned Mall:** (Click Banner for LM) Are you a custom builder or clothing designer? Vote on Prop: 735 and Prop: 1773 Samurai Regional Estates Crying Rose Studio Design
Joannah Cramer Registered User Join date: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 1,539	05-29-2006 18:50 From: KatanaBlade Anubis if it is apples and oranges then i supose having those physical things has no effect on the fact you can reply and debate here, and log into the virtual world and sit in your 3 bedroom home in SL. Not sure how other people do it but I have to use a computer that cost money, pay for cable, and electricity to reply to this post.... I think you lost me at this point, since i have no idea anymore what you're trying to say. Yes, your RL posessions or lack thereof do have impact on your ability to participate in SL. On the other hand your SL posessions or lack thereof have no impact on your ability to participate in RL. Which if anything, confirms what i said earlier -- that real and virtual worlds are very unlike one another, even if in both you can buy things labelled the same like 'house' or 'dress'. From: someone my apologies if you honestly ment that is a general sense That's fine, when i was writing that i thought it's rather obvious it's meant generally, but admittedly i could've worded that better. Sorry about that ^^; From: someone it's all a want, some people chose to get entertainment on TV others online, and many jsut pick up a good book. but people still worked to make that entertainment. Yes, obviously; the point is just, not _everyone_ is going to look at the pricing of SL items in terms of "it's still the same amount of real dollars", because they have no personal reason for this. Therefore, for some people this kind of price change is actual increase of price. And if they find such change too high, they will just vote with their money by not buying these items ... this is because --while it might sound rude when put this way, but i don't intend it as such-- ultimately the fact you are using virtual currency to support your RL needs is strictly your choice and as such "only your own problem". It's simply not possible to force others to look at these prices in the same way you do, i.e. as ratio of real and Linden dollars ... if/when they have no personal interest in looking at the prices this way in the first place. From: someone guess I am not the only one guessing. I can not make you feel anything you don't want to feel that is impossible I am just a human. If you took that personal then that is because you wanted to. Well, i cannot really take sentence like "You have not worked as hard and you are interested in so and so" ... as anything but personal remark, can i? I mean, "your customer" leaves a bit of leeway for the general kind of customer, but direct "you" not really .. oh well, but no point in digging further into this, since it's as offtopic as it goes. Let's just drop that ^^
KatanaBlade Anubis House of Blade Join date: 20 Jun 2004 Posts: 369	05-29-2006 19:23 From: Joannah Cramer I think you lost me at this point, since i have no idea anymore what you're trying to say. Yes, your RL posessions or lack thereof do have impact on your ability to participate in SL. On the other hand your SL posessions or lack thereof have no impact on your ability to participate in RL. Which if anything, confirms what i said earlier -- that real and virtual worlds are very unlike one another, even if in both you can buy things labelled the same like 'house' or 'dress'.. no I am saying that one does effect the other. it is like everything on this planet. what song is that from when i was a little kid maybe you heard it. there was an old lady who swallowed a fly, then swallowed a spider to catch the fly, swallowed a bird to catch the spider, swallowed a cat to catch the bird. let me put it this way we pay our rent to have a roof, we pay the electric company to light up the lamp, we pay the computer company to buy a computer, we pay the cable company to use the internet, we pay linden lab to play and socialize. we pay creators for entertainment. they pay their rent to have a roof, they pay their electric company to turn on a light.....etc etc and it keeps cycling. people can label it anything they want but there is something real involved whether they deny it or not. the point of the post is doubling prices. I cant say everyone is doubling them but I am sure they are rasing them. everytime there is a big update Linden lab says make sure your graphics card is updated.... that is real. Comcast decides to raise your internet bill that is real. that is my point entertainment isnt real, but the people behind the making of that entertainment is real with real skills that you pay for. From: Joannah Cramer That's fine, when i was writing that i thought it's rather obvious it's meant generally, but admittedly i could've worded that better. Sorry about that ^^;. lol np was a misunderstanding on both our parts. From: Joannah Cramer Yes, obviously; the point is just, not _everyone_ is going to look at the pricing of SL items in terms of "it's still the same amount of real dollars", because they have no personal reason for this. Therefore, for some people this kind of price change is actual increase of price. And if they find such change too high, they will just vote with their money by not buying these items ... this is because --while it might sound rude when put this way, but i don't intend it as such-- ultimately the fact you are using virtual currency to support your RL needs is strictly your choice and as such "only your own problem". It's simply not possible to force others to look at these prices in the same way you do, i.e. as ratio of real and Linden dollars ... if/when they have no personal interest in looking at the prices this way in the first place. everyone has the right to not buy something that is the way it is but my virtual money is my real life time and skills. Linden lab wouldnt be able to charge 1250 US dollars for a sim if people can not trade their virtual money for real money...who in their right mind is going to pay $1250 to chat...... From: Joannah Cramer Well, i cannot really take sentence like "You have not worked as hard and you are interested in so and so" ... as anything but personal remark, can i? I mean, "your customer" leaves a bit of leeway for the general kind of customer, but direct "you" not really .. oh well, but no point in digging further into this, since it's as offtopic as it goes. Let's just drop that ^^ agreed to drop it as i said it is a misunderstanding on both our parts and off topic _____________________ Main Shop & Owned Mall: (Click Banner for LM) Are you a custom builder or clothing designer? Vote on Prop: 735 and Prop: 1773 Samurai Regional Estates Crying Rose Studio Design
Wayfinder Wishbringer Elf Clan / ElvenMyst Join date: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 1,483	05-29-2006 21:29 From: Dmitri Polonsky Fact if SL closes it's doors tomorrow those items ppl dervive pleasure from are gone, and so its any RL money they paid for them. And how does that differ from say, a RL home burning down tomorrow? All things are perishable Dmitri. That does not alter their current value. From: someone Fact, that virtual currency only has real world value it two things BOTH are in accordance..ppl value them the same as you do and SL stays open. Again if it closes tomorrow your L's are gone. People faced the same thing when banks closed in the 1920s. So SL is different how? From: someone Fact, the virtual art that you create in SL exists within SL only, and is not exportable in any6 way shapoe or form as long as you do NOT have the geometry file in your PC. It is only in SL and as such is only useable as art or mechanism within the confines of SL. Not a fact. That art CAN be exported to RL by the simple click of a SAVE HIGH RESOLUTION option. Therefore, it IS usable outside the mechanism of SL. People do so all the time. From: someone And as far as telling Anshe anything, in the first place she had a lot of help making it in the first place. Secondly, I know a bit about those "business" methods from eprsonal experience and personally would not indulge in them because I'd feel guilty as HE** about doing ppl the same way. Whether she did or not (I have no idea), what does that have to do with anything? I'm sorry Dmitri, you're just arguing now for the sake of arguing. I don't have time for that. Deny the "real value" of SL all you want... doesn't make it so nor will most people agree with you. I think the RL value of SL is pretty obvious. _____________________ Visit ElvenMyst, home of Elf Clan, one of Second Life's oldest and most popular fantasy groups. Visit Dwagonville, home of the Dwagons, our highly detailed Star Trek exhibit, the Warhammer 40k Arena, the Elf Clan Museum and of course, the Elf Clan Fantasy Market. We welcome all visitors. : )

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