Prices Doubling?

The eforts are not valuele3s. I spent a week making my first hi prim motorcycle, however now any new ones are merely mods of that first one and avg time spent is about maybe ten minutes, unles I radically change the prim structure. I choose to keep Prices more commenserate with the time spent as an aag rather than trying to price everything for that week's worth of work that only occurred once. And BTW it wouldn't have even taken one day except for all the build problems introduced on the first upgrade of version 1.9.

Beter check your terms. Only one person owns anything in dreamland.

They deserve reward for their work, for however much its worth. One thing: THE BUYER determines value. To ask a buyer to throw out their value and take your own opinion of it as gospel is greedy. if someone doesn't like the prices in my shop, I'll live when they don't buy it.

WHINING about people not paying what YOU think tis worth is greedy. Dominus Shadow? Worth 1000 L to me, tops. Depending on mood. I just don't buy one if its more.

What you really mean is to brush off the consumers opnions of whats worth how much and still expecting them to buy it.

You try to occlude issue to hide your greed. If you care not to buy, no one force you. But you make belive that the falling value of Linden you are seperate from when in fact you are not, and by demand others stay thier prices you are asking them to sell below fair value. Thus, you greedy. You also singularly alone in your rating of Dominus, which is another point. It not *individual* buyer who set price, it the market as whole.

In this situation "the Buyer" means the buying public as a whole. The fact that the word is used in the singular doesn't not mean only one person. It's a nasty little pitfall of conversational english. I'm pretty sure that Jonas doesn't believe that he alone determines what's fair value.

From what I can see, he does indeed.

Not greedy, just use my own value opinions. I pay real USD for my teir, earned from a paycheck at my rl work. Not caring if they make their teir in linden dollars is not greedy, just a facet of capitalism. If they price so high people don't buy their products, they fail, simple enough. Whining that people won't pay your raised prices is the greedy act.

The BUYERS as a whole set value, if they don't feel like paying 4000 lindens for soemthing, it won't sell. No matter how much the designer thinks his work is worth.

the falling value of the linden is INDEED seperate from me. I don't sell and I am boycotting buying lindens..whatever its value is DOES NOT AFFECT ME OR MY OPINION. Do not try and say it does when you are not me and do not know how I think.

100L is 100L regardless of exchange rate, suck it up.

Correct. The buyer (as in market) determines fair value. I only determine what its worth to me, its the buildup of opinions that each person makes on their own that makes the markets opinion.

That is nothing more than make-belive. The L$ falling in value and you try to say yours remains the same value. You do not offer reason, just scream repeatedly that it is so.

100L is still 100L to me. that is not make believe. When you can grow up and accept that not everyone thinks like you, and that your opinion is not everyone elses', you may be happier.

I don't need a reason that 100l is still 100l to me aside from..oh wait- NOT SELLING LINDENS. I already said that. I guess I did give a reason. Accept it or move on.

Jonas, I think one big problem I've seen in your posts is that you seem to believe all of SL operates or should operate according to your value opinions.

It's nice that you earn money from a RL job and use that to pay your tier. That doesn't mean everyone does so. For some folks, SL is their RL job.

Now, let's put that closer to home. Let's say that next week, for no reason whatsoever, you receive 3% less on your paycheck. Next week the same thing happens. And the next. You're doing the same amount of work as before, maybe more, but you're getting paid less and less each week. Before long, your paycheck is cut by 25%... 28%... 30%...

Now tell me, you going to scream a little?

Then don't be so cold-hearted. People on SL are seeing that very thing happen to their paychecks for no other reason than LindeX appears to have been set up by chimpanzees.

You think prices on SL should remain the same? Fine. You don't want to pay anything more as the L$ devaluates? Then don't. That's fully your option as a free-thinking human. But all I'm seeing from your posts in this thread is a lot of negativism and lack of sympathy about something that is financially hurting a lot of people. I see a lot of tunnel-vision statements and a lot of looking at things from your own particular perspective without making an attempt to see the perspectives and needs of others.

Merchants pay tier for land on which to host their shops. They get that money from selling L$. If the L$ devaluates to the point that they can no longer stay open they have one choice: raise prices or close shop. Neither of those options are good. They cause merchants problems. And since this is how some people pay their RL food and clothing and shelter... perhaps a little more empathy is warranted.

"to me" - you understand then it is just make belive. When you can grow up and understand that you are as much part of system as everyone else, you may be happier.

That not reason, that not even relevant. Market is setting value, and value dropping below people ability to manage costs. This is becasue L$ is glutted from too much in pool, not becasue people's work suddenly less valuable. It part of how capital work, and if you spend L$ then you are part of that same system.

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My paycheck already is- the USD is declining. I'm not screaming yet. Two years ago I made half of what I make now -and it bought the same amount. Granted cost of living, area, etc, play a part. I now live in Vermont and cost of living is higher than parts of New Mexico.

Regardless of whether SL is their rl income- the buyers market still sets the value of what is sold. They will buy it or not.

Now if they can shoot that chimpanzee and fix the lindex..

As for all of SL following my values? Nope, then we'd all be boring. I only speak for myself in most of my comments, i don't have the cajones to supposedly speak for 'all content creators.'

How about being cold hearted to those who's only aim in life is to ruin it for everyone else? Like I said this stipend thing doesn't effect just them but ALL content creators in SL. All they accomplished is convincing Linden Labs to remove the buying power of 80% of the customer base for in world goods/land. Taking stipend away from ppl who do not buy L's will not make them buy L's. It will make them look for greener pastures elsewhere, and the net is full of them. Just ain't got as fancy of bells and whistles as we do in here. I could care less how fancy of a gun or car of space plane someone in SL makes. It does not have a real dollar value unless I can DL the OBJ files and textures and scripts to make it exportable elsewhere. It's only value is in L's in SL. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just burning money for nothing. As far as convincing me to go premium, L's have nothing to do with that. I won't pay for a premium account in here, the MOST expensive chat program online until we get the service and support from SL we pay for..REAL 24/7 support that actually cares and does not blame all thier server problems on our PC's. Liasons who will stop grief rather than decide not to because the griefer is some big land baron. And reselling freebies and rigged contests, tringo, slingo and gambling machines become a bannable offense on the ToS. When these things are done then I will consider getting a premium account. Not before. I had one once, and tiered down due to all the corrupt BS in SL.


"Contaminate your bed and you will one night suffocate in your own waste. " - Chief Seattle

Agreed. Its uncanny how he would run SL.... if he had a bad bowel movement that morning, he'd outlaw crappers. If he ate cheerios, the circle prim would be the default one.

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I understand your opinions are make believe, yes. And the lindex is falling because of undercutters.

Lesson: 9 out of 10 businesses fail. Its a real statistic. Just because its in a virtual world, if they are using it for rl income, doesn't mean it doesn't apply. if they can't manage their costs because of undercutters, guess what? They fail. Boohoo. Walmart undercuts mom and pop stores. We don't subsidize mom and pop stores.

I'm not part of the selling system, as I don't sell OR buy lindens. Deal with it and move on.

Gas Prices went up, does that mean you will stop driving the car or just stop buying gas?

Wake up SL is a business

Price of food goes up are you going to stop buying from grocery stores? or just go get on food stamps and wellfare.

Well, for that I'll pose an opposite view. It's not a "buyers market". The buyers market has nothing to do with what the value of the LindeX is set at. That's a myth. Nor is it a seller's market. They are forced to sell at what the market is paying, even if it's not what they want to sell at.

What it is... is a "LL flooding the market with L$ market", pure and simple. LL is flooding the market weekly with millions of new L$. That is causing a glut in the market, meaning there are not enough buyers to make up for that. Thus, sellers are not able to sell ENOUGH L$ to overcome the weekly market glut, so they are forced to sell them for less in order to make a sale at all. The buyers buy at whatever the market offers... and they will buy whether that price is L330/$1 or L250/$1. They would still buy.

So this isn't a buyers market or a sellers market. It is an eroding market.

You still try to cover your eyes. No one ask for subsidies, yes you keep making that claim. No one trying to make LL save dying buiness, you just pull out of your hat. You just want something for nothing. You are part of the L$ system if you spend any - this fact you can not deny any more than you can walk through mountain becasue you don't belive it there.

Well let's look at the flip side....if we all surfed around SL looking for other's free content to grab and resell there wouldn't be any content to sell now would there you fine capitolist you? LMMFAO

Psst..your ways ain't so hot either.

Dmitri, let me translate. You don't want to pay for a Premium account (ie, about $7.50 a month to use Second Life). Fine your choice. But further than that, you insist that LL give you L50 a week for being kind enough to use their system. And if they don't do that (worth what, about 16 cents RL cash?) you are going to go elsewhere?

So go ahead. Not a problem. Apparently this game has little or no value to you... so ghead, leave. Let's cut the stipends, let those to whom Second Life has so little value pack up and leave. What will remain... those who do value Second Life? I can live with that.

Doesn't bother me, because from what you say, it won't hurt you at all. After all, you don't need the "bells and whistles" of Second Life. There are "lots" of options out there (according to your claims). So name 5 or 6 of them for us, take your choice and don't let the door hit you in the tail on the way out.

I mean really, if 50L a week is going to make you leave Second Life, I can't really see that you're enjoying SL all that much in the first place.

I think the market got the worst when they gave FREE basic away, they should have only give FREE 30 day trials

Too many members getting in for FREE, why should they care what the market is they lose nothing but everything to gain.

By asking me to pay more than I feel soemthing just because of a market change (which I care nothing about) is worth is askign me to subsidize. You cover -your eyes to this fact.

Guess you should wake up too. SL is a chat platform with the added benefit of account holder content creation..Content that has no real world value as it resides on a server where you cannot toucvh the geometry. Therefore it has to Real World or USD value as it exists and is useable only in one place.It's NOT a busines, it's NOT a game, it is a CHAT.