Griefer Neighbors

Went to suspected area of problem in Sociaria and found one sexcapade club and a cassle and other buildings. All at ground level. Took my Tarn "Umi Chan" up to level 1300 and did not see any signs of a park, nothing........Did I search the correct area?

The wall is around the club and is not very high. Am very confused

Aside from the bitterness in your post, there are various ideas in working towards a solution. Including the idea you presented.

Realism is not as realistic as it's cracked up to be. Sometimes it can be disillusional which is not realistic at all. Not that anything you said was disillusional. I think it's important to be focused on a solution. The impracticality with realism is that it borders on pessemism which isn't quite realistic. I believe that a realistic assessment would involve a realistic understanding of the ideal scenario. Ideally, somebody would have come to delete the sign the moment I reported it. Realisticly, most organizations do not have such standards, and most consumers do not believe they deserve such standards. Therefore, such standards it is likely that such standards will not be met.




Back on the topic.
I estimate at least a week or 2 before I can move to a better location. The griefers are next door, and the view is gone. If there is anything that can be done about them, I would appreciate. For now, I'm working on improving the scenery with the wall there.

I originally had various loud and ugly textures on their side of the wall. I replaced them with plain default media textures because of the advice on this thread saying that it would not help my case if I did that. I'm not sure if there is anything LL can do about my neighbor's behavior.
Therefore, I am considering putting back the ugly textures.
If I had a texture saying "GRIEFERS SUCK!" in bold red, and if I am allowd to use that, I would put it on the face of every prim on that wall. (on their side of course).

Sorry Ranma. That is the other location. The main location is in McFee 251,25.
Check in my profile, and you can find the tp under my picks.

Instead of putting ugly textures on their side, you should sell that as ad space! Hell, make some money while you have to put up with them

Or you could always ask Lazarus if you can have a copy of the Impeach Bush sign texture. That tends to get people moving more than Abuse Reports

Edit: dang, came in too late on the convo. OH well, advice for next time.

I had a griefer just a few days ago put up nazi and communist propaganda signs right on the edge my land, and then he sat on them. So I uploaded "Stupidity" and "Humiliation" from Despair.com and shoved them right on the edge of my land infront of him.

While griefing is usually annoying, it can often be turned into something humorous for you and your friends.

Actually you can get it to go over that if you abuse the prim. It's always about abuse, isn't it?

If you wanna drive people away, just put the textures on the side of the prim to be something so hideous that sex would be the last thing on someone's mind when they see it. Perhaps grab something from Ogrish.com or something. Make the prim material light and put the textures to rotate.


And while you're at it, turn the whole wall phantom with llVolumeDetect() and have it flatulate everytime someone walks through it.

Or better solution is to relocate. ^_^ It would save a lot more hastle.
Sorry. I'm on NyQuil....

Went to correct sight and things are as described.

Yes lol. His nazi stuff would probably be a violation of TOS.
The Impeach Bush idea came to mind. lol.

I'm thinking about doing a sign letting people know that my wall is there because of those griefers.

Pleasure,
My husband is a deputy sheriff, and before that was a 911 dispatcher. The Zero minute wait time is very unreasonable. There ARE ambulances waiting on standby, but the dispatcher has to first get the information needed, then decide which agency to call, police, fire, medical and then radio the info to them. That takes a few minutes, even when they do it at the same time as they are talking to you. (The info is being typed onto a screen that triggers a response to the appropriate agency.) Then the responding agency has to get in their vehicle (unless they are already in it) and FIND YOU, they can't instantly teleport to your exact location like a Linden can in SL. Depending on the area you are in, it can take time to get to you. My husband gets calls that routinely take him an hour's drive to get to because some people want to live in the middle of god knows where. A zero minute wait time is unreasonable.

ANd in Second Life, a wait time of anywhere from 30minutes to 1 hour sounds fine to me.

Yeah, there is Intention of Customer Service and there is Reality. The intent should be to try to reduce the amount of time a customer is waiting for help as much as possible, but the reality is that wait time to get the sign removed was from the time you made the first post here to the time the Linden arrived, which was, I dunno, a few hours? Days? Or perhaps from the time you picked up the phone and the Linden arrived, 5-10 minutes maybe.

Arguing over a misunderstanding in terminology of Expectation and Reality is silly. I think what people are saying is expecting reality to conform to expectation exactly is unrealistic. My previous job had a 15 minute downtime thing, from loss of connectivity to the website to restoration of that connectivity, or else money started being refunded. Of course, those customers were paying a whole lot more than ANY of us on SL, so the company could afford that 15 minute assurance.

Anyway, 0m wait time = Expectation. Your Reality May Vary.

You all need to do is play nice, I am sure this person that you talk of is not very happy that you copy and pasted the conversations on the forums. I work for a Law firm in Chicago, and I know that this is the first intent of slander. Did you ever think of that before you posted? This Mr. and Mrs. Smith I will call them could be holding all the cards now.. You can copy and paste things for your own ref. in game to apply toward a linden, but... when you go outside the game into forum and unleash dissclosed information, conversations, and intend on slanderous action even without stating there names still falls into copywrite privacy. You should be very leary beofre copy and pasting such conversations for the world to see, it lands people in hot water everyday in rl, it could easily happen in sl, or in this case on the web now. Serenity Peart.

I'm not a dispatcher, but my opinion about how emergency responce works is exactly the same as yours.
Hewer, I see no reason why it would take no more than 2min for somebody to come here assess the situation, and delete the object. I'm not sure why the interface does not allow for us to delete overlapping objects on ourland. Nonetheless, anything that overlaps onto land that is being paid for by a user should be deleted immediately if the user want it delted, and cannot do so himself. I is not necessary to make a user to wait an hour, 24 hours, or even 3 days for that matter



I'm not sure about the copyright laws regarding that. I know the TOS/CS does not allow us to drop names on the forum. Otherwise, I would have included their names.

Me to olny I have been at it for 40 years and they never quit astounding me with there stupidity.

God I still can't beleave I'm 40

You are also not allowed to post chat records without consent - it IS a violation of the CS, even if you don't post the other person's name

Its very convenient that the first conversation was lost... because it will explain alot about this situation. I didnt keep it because I never expected this to blow up like this. I'm a reasonable person, I never had a disagreement with a neighbor in this game ever before that couldnt be worked out with one IM and a simple negotiation.

I bought the land next to his sim as a nice place for my new store, not even knowing his club was up there... I even made my store open air and textured it to fit in with the neighboring buildings on the ground.

On the first night of my grand opening, his sim was apparently full, so all his intended guests ended up naked with their "funnin' " prims blazin', hovering in my store grand opening asking all my customers and me, how can i get into the sex club? do you have any sex balls? do you wanna have sex? Even the other residents who own homes in his sim couldnt use their own land and ended up gathering at my new store to compliment me on the build fitting in.

After the 12th "do ya wanna" I approached him with a business proposal. I would put up a platform adjacent to his club so that guests could walk back and forth and relieve some of the avatar crowding, my sim is relatively empty so i didnt feel it would harm anyone else in my sim... basically this means 80 guests could be accomodated instead of him sharing 40 with another sky club...

I didnt ask for money.. I was using my own extra prims, I only asked that we just align our clubs so guests could have the most convenience while spreading the avatars around.. i even offered to stock his area with some of the 300 odd "juicy" pose balls i acquired from someone leaving the game recently to enhance the experience and attract the right kind of guests without abusing the event system... and keep them separate from my clothing shoppers at the ground level.

He didnt care to link the clubs, suggesting that people could just fly back and forth without a problem. After a short discussion I realized that I wouldnt be able to change his mind. I politely ended the conversation and we each agreed to do our own thing. I seriously thought that was the end of the issue.

But I still had the naked sex-crazed noobs in my store. So i put up a skybox of my own to separate the guests with different intentions. As we agreed, people were able to fly back and forth between. Suddenly his guests had a choice in entertainment and i think this is the crux of the issue. Had he agreed to work with me, it could have been seamless with his club suddenly more attractive to guests by having more toys, space and guest capacity. It appeared win-win to me.

Apparently his only complaint is that it ruined his view. And as everyone well knows, he doesnt own the view. I offered to texture it more transparent, I offered to make it similarly designed. I offered so many solutions to the problem..

His ONLY solution that would work is for me to lower MY club out of his view. And if i didnt then i was being rude. In fact I DID try to move my club over to a different part of our land, but with 600 unlinked, randomly locked prims belonging to multiple people.. the section I was working on turned out looking like a TORNADO HIT IT. It was just too complicated for me, as he admits it would be for himself to move.

BUT I DID TRY to be nice. He never mentioned the view BEFORE i put up the club, when i could have done something more easily.

Since his solution was beyond my capability, he decided that the next best solution to getting his view back was to put up a massive wall at both the ground level and the club level so people wouldnt see us.

It was textured with lovely vile textures on my side and matching decor on his. I must say, the wall just made people more curious what was on the other side of it, and people came over to see what we were about. We did have a live DJ on the plot playing requests for the grand opening, and many people stayed, whether to hang out and dance or pursue their own interests in the dungeon.

People come and go over his wall all the time, I dont really care if its there.. it has a Berlin Wall effect... I've never complained about it, and am rather amused. I do think part of his frustration is that it relieved some of the pressure from his sim, allowing other residents to use their own land, but taking away his own traffic that he generated by abusing the event system to the point of sim overflow.

Other than that.. i've quietly gone about my own business and left him alone. I didnt ban him, I didnt mute him, I didnt talk to him.

Oh and yes.. I did put the silly cube there poking through his wall.. Slap my hand... its gone now. If thats all it takes to be one of those elite griefers, geez I'm guilty... I wont commit such a heinous crime again, mom. Can i go to the cornfield now?

You are reasonable?
You approached me with a proposal to put a link from my park to your store hours before the McFee sim got locked up due to overcrowding.
At this point, you didn’t have the club. You only built your club after this happened.
You placed your club right next to the park in the sky when you could have placed it anywhere in the sky.
I asked you to simply move it down and out of view.

It was a very reasonable request, and you could not even do that. I would never do something like what you did. Instead of moving your club, you continued to build on it making it 3 times larger. Most reasonable people would have understood my request, and moved.

Then you accuse me of wanting you to move because your club will take people away from the park.
That is unreasonable and quite presumptuous.
It is not difficult for anybody anywhere to see that putting your club right next to the park was inconsiderate. It obstructs the view of the sky.
You can have all the traffic for all I care.

It was a very reasonable request that you move the club out of the view.
All I asked is that you take your club down so you are not blocking the view of the park. That’s it. It would have taken nothing for you to do this.

Every time I asked you to do it, you did not want to unless I put a walkway to your place. And you call yourself reasonable?

Furthermore, you protruded a sign over my land saying “DO NOT Look Behind This Wall unless you like sex”
This does not seem to be the actions of a reasonable person.
Finally, a Linden came to delete it.

I put vile textures on your side because of what you are doing and how you are treating me. I never asked you for anything more than to move your club out of the view to the park.

What exactly is it that you want? I have removed the vile textures, and solidified the wall with the same décor on both sides. I have removed the wall downstairs by your store. Your club will be great and successful, and you do not have to block the view of the park. There is no reason for you to do this to us. Please respect and understand that the view is important to the park and your club is obstructing the clear sky park view.

All together now..........

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Lewis

Yeah, actually I'm with you on this one Lewis. However given the history of Pleasure here,


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...I think, I'll take much of what Semple has to say on any subject with a lorry load of salt.

I think you underestimate the actual size of population and how many abuse reports per minute are recieved by the lindens.

I'm so with you on this. However, the griefer does make a nice case and politely to boot.

Hello fellow people of Second Life.

I have to say that I love forums, and I love the fact that we all can communicate here, even if sometimes it crosses the line of legal rights and TOS violations.

Pleasure did go ahead and retexture his wall and take down his wall next to our shop.
I made it very clear that you have all the rights in game to do as you please within TOS agreements. Simple and logical rules do apply to everyone in life when playing in these communties and outside the virtual word of the game and in cyber space. This is were our "friend" Pleasure went wrong.. You can copy my conversations and use them for reporting purposes, personal information, or a typical notecard as it is. When you take that personal text out of the game and paste it onto a web page its a whole new game, then content has been brought out of the game and exploited for profit, it has been made to slander an individual, and that is against TOS agreements and also.. I am afraid to say against the law. Growing into a new age of cyber space one needs to be aware that you can get into trouble without asking for consent, and you need to have that permission to publish an edited document that someone has writen, its simple publishing, and copywrite infractions. Although they might be very petty arguements they do still hold a valid case when dealing with editing and publishing. So I did win in this case. I know that is was childish, but to slander me in an open forum, is NOT allowed. And to take my words and the Other (" Mrs Smith" I will call her or Griefer# 1 is against the laws of internet publishing.. We all need to be aware of this when emotions come into play, and we act on that instead of our common sense. So...... I have to say now... " Babies, babies. By the time I'm done with you, you will all be wearing gold plated diapers." (Christopher Walken)

Actually I'm sitting right on the fence on this one.

Neither of the places involved have any content that would make me want to visit them at any time or for any reason, or in my opinion adds anything of value to the game as a whole. I have no time for pixellated sex in game, or for those who indulge in it.

Until next time, take care of yourselves and each other!

Lewis

THE FOLLOWING IS A CONTINUATION OF CHAT HISTORY:
This is the first 2 of 3 conversations that occurred on the evening of the 19th. I lost the 3rd one because I accidentally closed the box. They consist of endless bickering that got nobody anywhere. I tried to talk to him normally, but he continued to talk in threats. Talking in threats of course is not a language I speak. It will never get anybody anywhere or anything. I’ll talk about the third conversation at the bottom of these.

1/19/06
M: its almost like plagery
Pleasure Semple: i have done nothing to you until you did this. why not just move back down?
M: Soo, if you take down the flags and leave it how it was we can all be happy, i dont mind the wall, i dont mind one bit, but what you did down by the shop is ridiculous, and I and most others think its childish,..
Pleasure Semple: childish? i will take down all walls
Pleasure Semple: as soon as you move your club down. im not asking alot from yoiu
Pleasure Semple: just do me this favor
M: nopw. not gonna happen, but i will go ahead and contact sl.forums and have my friend continue to thread information for my online suit..
Pleasure Semple: i never did anything to you, and you moved in, and blcoked the view of the park
Pleasure Semple: why even move there and block our view in the first place?
M: Well, we can exsist here with common purpose and get along, or you can just keep slanderizing me in forums and i will have my day in court, and if you are editing any of my words that is also my intellectual right and you have never asked my permission t
Pleasure Semple: if you would like to get along with your neighbors, do not do things moving your club to the sky at the exact same level of the park
Pleasure Semple: i did not do anything to you to provoke this action
M: to use them, so if we can just say truce, then fine, but if you cant play nice, then i will just use this as a vehicle to win in the end, its not right that you used my words and posted my property on a website, its violation of copywrite man.. how could
Pleasure Semple: i respect my neighbors
Pleasure Semple: ill delete everything, take down the walls, and call the truth if you would just be willing to reason with me and see that i would just like to have the view to this prak
Pleasure Semple: park*
M: at this point i am in favor, and I like where i am, its my right, but you have taken my liberties and slanderized me in forum, and for that, its all back to square on, i mean people come to your place anyways
Pleasure Semple: well lets start from square one, and try to work this out
Pleasure Semple: you like having a club in the sky. its at 140ft
Pleasure Semple: you can move it to 120 or 160 and it still would be nice
Pleasure Semple: this park had a nice view. you moved your club in right next to ir
Pleasure Semple: it*
Pleasure Semple: exactly next to it
Pleasure Semple: its not right
Pleasure Semple: i would never do that to anybody
M: Well we wanted to be seen by people that have the right to choice to go anywhere they please..
Pleasure Semple: if you can move it up or down so that this park has a clear view, i would not intere with your privacy or any of your dealings on your land. i would show you the same respect that i show all players of SL
M: People come here for music, clothing, sex, and gothic contests, thats all.. You have a sex community with over 50 people
Pleasure Semple: wanting to be seen is one thing. slapping your club right next to the park and blocking the whole view is not right
M: They will still go to your place, its nothing anyone hasnt done before
Pleasure Semple: thats great. iwould wish you lots of exciting fun if they enjoy your lcub
Pleasure Semple: there is no reason people cannot enjoy both places
M: nobody cares about the view man, your holding on to my pant leg way to tight, try the otherone it has bells on it, come on..
Pleasure Semple: im a very reasonable individual
M: they want sex, if i was looking at the sky while getting fucked id be an idiot..
Pleasure Semple: its not just sex, its a nice view and nice environment
Pleasure Semple: my intent is never toslander other players
Pleasure Semple: my intent is to get along and work with people
Pleasure Semple: it takes no effort to move your club out of the view from this park
Pleasure Semple: we had a nice view before you put your club there. there is no reason we cannot coexist seuccessfully
Pleasure Semple: you will have just as much success even more without having to block this parks view
M: oh yeas it does when i have over 900 opjects to link and move, i will not compromise my build after you slanderized me in forum, you are at fault now, and i will let you deciede what is right to you.
M: your look out is high enough it looks right over me..
M: just leave it how it is, i dont care
M: keep you wall color it with daisy's i dont care sir..
Pleasure Semple: i can delete all the posts in the forum by the way
Pleasure Semple: i can understand the difficulty moving 900 objects
M: i have copied them all, and its the fact that you did it, i wasn't giving my concent to it, its very sticky.. But, you can do as you please and i will let F and my friend deciede what to do next..
Pleasure Semple: copied them all what?
M: why dont you keep the wall, retexture it, and have your look out, people want to see the sky, its the sky they will see..
M: they dont see us unless they want to and thats there chopice
Pleasure Semple: what i would really like to do is take the wall down
M: the wall down by our store, now thats just horrible, thats not right..
Pleasure Semple: i will take that down as will
M: The store has nothing to do with what you and i are doing up here
Pleasure Semple: moving all those prims might take a little time, but it willbe wirth it for everybody. both of us and the patrons that visit both of us
M: I think that wall is great, it gives you a look out, it gives you room to make sex rooms, i am found of your place and it is a nice divid between us..
Pleasure Semple: most people would rather have a park with a clear sky
Pleasure Semple: instead of a giant building or wall over the park
Pleasure Semple: what do u want M?
M: I think it looks cool, id leave it..
Pleasure Semple: why cant you move your club? the sky is far better than a huge wall
Pleasure Semple: that is the point of parks
Pleasure Semple: nobody puts a huge wall or building in a park to make it look better
Pleasure Semple: there is a pool here, a white temple, a dance floor, and a pavilion
M: because i cant link it all back and i will **** it up, and i cant chance that..
Pleasure Semple: great
M: I thought we would just exsist. Sorry, but I'm not that skilled
Pleasure Semple: i dont know what u can do with your objects. we cannot continue like this. you have enough skill to build the place right? are you running your club without knowing how to do some of that?


M: (Saved Thu Jan 19 23:22:54 2006) Well, if you want to keep your walls up down by the store at least texture it to be neutral, and the wall up here i dont really care about, i can just make my texture solid, but if you want to make amends and say truce, thats great, but if it stays
M: (Saved Thu Jan 19 23:23:44 2006) Then I will just go ahead and let my firnds inquire about the internet copywrite. So lets play nice and just stop the game, Go USA
Pleasure Semple: im willing to make truce as i said. i really dont think its right what you did by putting your club next to the park and im not being unreasonable
M: ok. Fair enough
Pleasure Semple: really? it would be greatly appreciated, and i would remove everything and delete your posts so that everybody can enjoy our places
M: well, i cant move the parcel, F wont do it... But I will not play anymore games..
M: I just tried linking, and objects are to far apart
M: would you retexture the wall at least ?
Pleasure Semple: retexture the wall? well im not too happy with what is going on. i dont see why you cannot move your club in sections


M: I'd rather not, and judging by the texture and the walls as they stand, i see this is never going to end, soo. I will just go ahead and leave it up to the first judicial internet forum to open the case of my rights, and i will just let the outcome happen
M: I asked nicely..
Pleasure Semple: that doesnt sound to nice to me. sounds like typical threatening language. i dont talk in threats, and i dont know why you do
M: I am not the one that used my conversation without my consent
M: you copied an edited text that i wrote and place it on the internet, you violated my rights.
M: You VIOLATED ME
M: Do you understand that ?
M: We have the same right here in game but you took my content out of the game and used it on an internet page.,.
M: Its not your right without my consent
M: So, I hold the cards now, i am sorry but i do..
M: Go talk to a lawyer that specializes in copywrite internet law..
M: Or read on the net
Pleasure Semple: well there is a reason for that.
Pleasure Semple: i posted that because of what you said to me and what you have done
M: You DO NOT hav that right, in here you do, but not published on an internet based page without my consent.
M: You have thre right to report me, to talk of me in forum, but not to copy my words and edit them and place them on an internet thread, its very illegal..
Pleasure Semple: i am completely willing to delete it but not if this continues
M: its violation od TOS,
M: also.
M: dude, you need to drop it all, or its gonna get sticky..
M: change the texture, and remove the signs or i will have my day in court, its that simple
Pleasure Semple: im trying to drop it. im not asking alot from you
M: its my right to build where i am, you violated my rights, thats all that is happening here
Pleasure Semple: it is the least you can do after what you have done
M: You VILATED me
M: VIOLATED ME
M: I will reprt this all to SL if this does not end right now, and I will sue you
M: Read your terms
M: You violated SL, and myself..
Pleasure Semple: if you feel violated, i can and will delete it and end all the conflict and all im asking is not that much
M: no, you already did it, its not going to help you..
Pleasure Semple: i am trying to reason with you and you are being unreasonable. i already did it and cannot change it is not going get us anywhere
Pleasure Semple: i told you i can delete it
Pleasure Semple: you know why i did it
M: dude you violated legal terms in this game and out, take down the large wall downstairs, and change the yextures and its over
M: or i will sue you.
M: end of story, and if you dont believe me, get on the net and start reading and tak to a linden
Pleasure Semple: the only reason they are there is because you put your club up. you want me to take them down but you are the one that started the problems. i have never not once threatened you
Pleasure Semple: i posted our chat on the forum
Pleasure Semple: because of what you did and what you are doing
M: ok, but i didnt take your writing and violate TOS, and slanderize me, and on top of it publish my words without my consent
M: I will sue you..
M: its a fact not a threat
M: So, i expect results in an hour well beyond your expected response time
Pleasure Semple: a threat is a threat. a fact is a fact
M: If it stands i call my laywer
M: You best talk to a linden...
M: I am totally serious
M: good day..
Pleasure Semple: as long as you continue to talk in threats M
Pleasure Semple: we will not get anywhere
Pleasure Semple: if all you want to do is play games, go talk to somebody else.


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We had another conversation after this that I was not able to keep. It was mostly the same thing. I was trying to find out what he wanted so I can give it to him. He seemed to have no interest in being speaking like an adult, and just continued on with the same threat talk. Eventually he told me that he wanted me to take down the wall downstairs, and make the wall upstairs solid. And I told him I just wanted a clear view for the park. This is not something difficult to resolve. I immediately took down the wall downstairs, and applied even textures to the wall upstairs.

The next afternoon, he still had not moved his club down. I sent him IMs asking him what his intentions were. He ignored them. Due to his lack of consideration, I put everything back the way it was.
He flew over to me, and started up again with threats, coercion, intimidation, and insults. I asked that he not speak in such language, and talk to me like a human being. As if in another world, he had no regard for my request, and continued on so that every line that came out of him was nothing more than threatening abusive language.

1/20/06
M: I filled a law suit today with Linden Labs
M: I hope you are happy
M: I will rake you through the judicial system now
You: i thought you were going to move it down
M: You know i have had internet problems all day, and then i sign in and see all this
You: i asked you if you were going to move it down. you did not respond
M: So you want to play hard ball, i have contacted the Lindens filed abuse, and you will likely be suspended, did you ever contact a linden ?
You: i assumed you changed your mind again
You: so i put back the textures
M: you know what i am not in the worng, you broke the law Pleasure
M: well, thats intent to harrass me now.
M: So you just keep on doing it, nobody cares about textures they care about the place and the people
M: I could care less..
You: i do not talk in threats. im not a child. if you want to talk, come to me and talk ot me man to man
M: But you will be prosecuted for slander and editing my personal words on an internet page..
You: otherwise i dont talk that language
You: as i said i do not talk that language
M: Your an idiot
You: talk to me man to man instead of threatening me and insulting me, and i will work with you
M: Do live help right now and tell them that you took my text and posted it and watch what they say.
You: you obviously have no intention of working this out
M: Its not worth it, i also ma buying the land next to you..
M: I am making my wall three times a high
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You: i posted your text for a reason. your lack of consideration and threatening language is not what i talk about
M: Your a loser and everyone is figuring it out, your just a opertunist with selfish dissregard
M: You can take my words out of game!
M: Do you not understand this>
M: You have broke the law..
M: are you that nieve ?
You: name calling me a loser and oppoertunist and threats shows that you are inwilling to speak to me like a gentleman
M: Your such a fool
You: unwiilling*
M: LMAO
Destiny Pomeray is online
You: im not the one calling names
M: Go pund snow, i am going to laugh all the way to the bank
M: lmao nice underoooooos
M: Hahahahahaha
M: Loser
You: is calling names and making threats the only thing you know hwo to say
You: Yes I edited your text. I dotted out the profanity and replaced your name with M.


As I talk to them more, it becomes clearer that these are not friendly neighbors. They are bad people with bad intentions. A friendly neighbor has good intentions. If my park was on the ground, and a neighbor moved in, and built a club right next to it on the ground, I would not think that inconsiderate. I am far up in the sky, and they built their club right at the same level in the sky just to be right next to the park. A friendly thoughtful neighbor would have the consideration to build their club on a level in the sky that would not obstruct the view of the park. A friendly neighbor would have understood that putting their dungeon club in a place that obstructs the view is inconsiderate, intrusive, and outright uncalled for. A friendly neighbor would have the respect not to do something like this. Friendly neighbors do not talk in threats. As seen in the various chats I have included here, they have been talking in threats and coercion from the moment they moved in. Friendly neighbors do not try to intimidate and coerce their neighbors. Friendly neighbors do not insult their neighbors or use abusive language.

Is it really so much for me to ask for some consideration? Is it really so much to ask for the park to have a clear view of the sky? Is it really necessary to be threatening me, using coercion, speaking intimidating language, and insulting me? Is it so hard to understand that the club obstructs the view of the park, and that I’m not asking a lot? Is it so much to ask that people be thoughtful of others, and respect one another? Is it necessary that the club be right exactly next to park in order to be successful? Cannot it be just as successful or even more so without having to be right there next to the park so that everybody wins in the end?

Coming up next on Jerry Springer..... "My brother was abducted by aliens and came back female, and pregant with an alien baby".

Lewis