ratings reform revisited

I say Drop the ratings system all together and give every one $100 a week bonus for being good. if someone is disiciplined they lose the bonus for a month.

I'm all for it so long as it includes a wipe of current ratings. If you're going to do it, do it right and get a clean slate up for everyone.

I say Drop the ratings system all together and give every one $100 a week bonus for being good. if someone is disiciplined they lose the bonus for a month.

I would MUCH MUCH MUCH rather see some indication of a user's diciplinary record with the Lindens in their profile. Not the details about the infractions, but perhaps a point system from 0 to perma ban. I want to know if the player entering my sim is a potential griefer so I can batten down the hatches. I would also love to have this information color-coded to the name floating over their heads. Perhaps a color range from green to yellow to red so I can spot the bad eggs from afar.

I'm all for removing negatives and bonuses, but then shouldn't a positive rating occur for free? With no financial impetus, it makes sense. For now, I'd just remove negatives and keep the cost of rating since its one of the few remaining L$ sinks.

What is Linden Lab gong to do to provide adequate sinks for L$ in the economy? Land is now being sold ONLY for US$. Ratings are barely used any more due to the cost. I'd wager to say that's the lion's share of the L$ sinks that have been removed with nothing to replace them. That's not good.

Where is the L$ coming out of the system? Classifieds? $30/week to list your place of business? We clearly need some viable L$ sinks in the near future, or the value of the L$ will plummet. Please share plans to avoid this happening!

Regards,

-Flip

I can surmise from reading some posts in this threat that some would prefer to do away with the entire system of ratings. Isn’t a large part of our stippend based on ratings? So in affect your asking for ppl to do away with even more of their stipends. I do not believe that will receive any better of a reception than the last stippend decrease did.

These forums tend to lean to very economic/money side of SL with that in mind I cannot help but wonder if anyone has thought this threw?

How will this affect those that just play socially now. Wipe out part of their income, wipe out associated sales that are drawn from that income.

I do not see how such suggestions are aiding in moving SL in a positive direction for the greater good.

Cat

I can surmise from reading some posts in this threat that some would prefer to do away with the entire system of ratings. Isn’t a large part of our stippend based on ratings? So in affect your asking for ppl to do away with even more of their stipends. I do not believe that will receive any better of a reception than the last stippend decrease did.

These forums tend to lean to very economic/money side of SL with that in mind I cannot help but wonder if anyone has thought this threw?

How will this affect those that just play socially now. Wipe out part of their income, wipe out associated sales that are drawn from that income.

I do not see how such suggestions are aiding in moving SL in a positive direction for the greater good.

Cat

Blinks

Ok, lets move everything back to the way it was. 1 buck per rating, and increase the bonus to 1500. Some of us are not creative enought to make items that sell. Many of us depended on the normal bonus. I see this proposed system as helping only a few people.

Thanks for the reply Aimee and you are right. I admit I am ignorant of the abuse that happens because I don't associate with those kinds of people so what other people do is of little concern of mine unless it effects me. I have never been NEG rated and if I was I doubt I would really be losing sleep over it. From an outsider coming into a new world, it seems that only people with a high post count here seem to have a problems with this and are more then happy to voice their opinions. High post count and a history in SL does not make others needs and approachs in SL irrelevant which I was trying to convey. I personally don't care if I get a rating or not, but I think that there should be a system in place to reward the people helping and being involved with others in SL. The current system meets my needs for the approach I take in SL, but it doesn't work for others obviously.

Considering that I am trying to salvage 100-200L$ a week and people are posting that make 1000's of L$ a day/week through their firmly planted history and business ventures is a bit unnerving. If the Linden's were playing around with your income (ie: tax on product sold) I bet there would be a mass exodus. Right now 100L is over 10% of my weekly income and I will post in effort to retain that.

So if ratings and income from ratings are two seperate issues, how are each being handled in this new system?

In all honesty, I'm in favor of the eBay solution - complete with forcing people to put *something* into the little "reason" box.

That way, if someone has a bunch of neg ratings with "Reason: lol," they wouldn't exactly look bad compared to "Reason: This person stole my money and shot my poodle."

Guys, I have this GREAT idea. You're going to LOVE it.

Also, ratings blurbs might sound like a great idea, but really... think of what that would mean... you'd be giving people the ability to slander anyone they want, right in their profiles. If the negging situation is bad now, imagine the drama bombs something like that could cause. I do not see how this would be better than the current situation. A griefer could put whatever the hell they wanted in the reason, make it seem totally believable. It would just be replacing one griefer magnet with another one that would be far more powerful. The target could rebut, but a lot of people have this "where there's smoke, there's fire" mentality, and will believe anything... as long as it sounds scandalous enough.

Just eliminate ratings and let social networks do their job. I challenge anyone to invent an automated rating system that can't be gamed.

Also, ratings blurbs might sound like a great idea, but really... think of what that would mean... you'd be giving people the ability to slander anyone they want, right in their profiles. If the negging situation is bad now, imagine the drama bombs something like that could cause. I do not see how this would be better than the current situation. A griefer could put whatever the hell they wanted in the reason, make it seem totally believable. It would just be replacing one griefer magnet with another one that would be far more powerful. The target could rebut, but a lot of people have this "where there's smoke, there's fire" mentality, and will believe anything... as long as it sounds scandalous enough. This person robbed me! This person cheated me out of my land! This person is a griefer! This person orbited everyone in my sim! This person sleeps around like a cat in heat! Etc. etc. etc.

Just eliminate ratings and let social networks do their job. I challenge anyone to invent an automated rating system that can't be gamed.

Of course, as some people have pointed out, eBay lets these ratings get contested... but realistically, I can't see the Lindens doing that either. Point dropped.

And el, while I totally agree with the "let's get away from the artificial systems" sympathy, how would you propose doing so without having the dwell-getter, stipend-driven, and casual sides of Second Life crying bloody murder?

At this point I see almost no correlation between a user's ratings and the user themselves. The reasons are as follows:

-Anti Social users tend to have fewer ratings than they deserve
-Highly social users tend to have many more ratings than they deserve
-Tripple rates are frequently given to express friendship (or enmity) rather than good appearance or building skills.
-Alts or gangs of people can pile neg rates onto someone out of revenge rather than actual poor behavior.
-Poor users are less able to rate each other due to cost.
-Oldby users don't bother rating each other because they know the rating system is useless.

At MOST I can get a hint that a user is trouble if they have given out a large number of neg ratings, but even this is not completely reliable. So I say, scrap it all.

I would MUCH MUCH MUCH rather see some indication of a user's diciplinary record with the Lindens in their profile. Not the details about the infractions, but perhaps a point system from 0 to perma ban. I want to know if the player entering my sim is a potential griefer so I can batten down the hatches. I would also love to have this information color-coded to the name floating over their heads. Perhaps a color range from green to yellow to red so I can spot the bad eggs from afar.

I really don't understand why people that focus on the social side of SL seem to be the ones that keep getting hurt with all the changes made. I can only assume that there are people abusing this system but I would like to get some acknowledgment that social players are still worth investing in.

Blinks

Ok, lets move everything back to the way it was. 1 buck per rating, and increase the bonus to 1500. Some of us are not creative enought to make items that sell. Many of us depended on the normal bonus. I see this proposed system as helping only a few people.