Space Monkey group's land "ripped off"

Are you implying we're not mature!?




Heh. You said tit.

No!

He was making references to poo slinging.... you know, a habit of some domesticated monkees.

Oh, yes, I get it.

Sorry. I migrated from a forum where reading things the wrong way was standard.
But, that forum went to hell, so... I'm here. It's also the only real worksafe place for me.

Hmm. I don't suppose there's a 512m lot available in Jesse now?

wtf are u talking about...i didnt let cyanide in the group...do us a favor, read the article, and shush. lindens have alredy started to deal with it and your extremely slow. sssssslllooooooowwwwww...
pwn't

I didn't say anything about Cyanide.

And when calling someone stupid- you might want to use the right "you're".

I would like to hear your first hand stories. I just talked to Anshe and she says she doesn't even know who you are. I did a search on our CSR database and your name is nowhere to be found. It appears very unlikely to me that your claims are based on facts.

silly goose, show ur barcode they wanna scan u!

Lordfly, I really fail to see where you get off dictating what Jessie is 'SUPPOSED' to be to the people that live there.

You don't know? Oh no you might not. LF was granted the title Dictator of Jessie for Life back in 2003 when we used to have a senatorial form of government on The Grid All Hail The Central Grid. Soon thereafter the Lindens became jealous of the influence powerful Senators practiced and abolished the government lock, stock and barrel.

Wow, good to know. I retract my previous statement and bow to our leader in exile.

No, actually, he's quite right.

So what exactly happened in your real lives that turned you guys into social assholes? Did you come from a hard knock life in the suburbs, your only friend a Mc Donalds Beany Baby. Never agian will you trust a fellow human because they made fun of you in PE. Maybe you think because you "tricked" someone into making them think you were their friend, that maybe if you fudge them over it would make you some kind of genius badass and make up for all those harsh years growing up in a beachside community where no one understood you. Way to go wanker, you earned trust and you broke it. You are a god damn mastermind.

I made this thread, with the intention of highlighting the flaw in the group tools, and culling input on how to fix it.

Can't have everything I guess.

Romper Bomper Stomper Boo! Do I fit in now?

i agree..you guys are quite off-topic.

here my response from LL. im not satisfied but i hear the theif is banned...so good riddance.
"
Dear Fred Extraordinaire,

Linden Lab cannot verify, enforce, certify, examine, uphold or
adjudicate any oath, contract, deal, or agreement made by the residents
of Second Life. Furthermore, all officers of a group have equal
authority to sell or otherwise dispose of group land."


a bussiness is only as powerful as the government that protects it. bussiness is dead in second-life with the way the lindens seem to treat it. contracts dont have to be upheld, agreements dont need to bother existing...this in complete anarchy and anyone can scam you at anytime and Linden Lab's will sit there watching. if the real world was like this you could call me Mad Max.

I still love ya!

/end troll

I posted my thoughts about this whole situation in the other thread...

Team up with muppets, expect muppetry.

Its wrong, plain and simple, but... thats why deeding group land is a big think about kinda move...

Oh well then, this is a few months old, but still most of my input on the subject. It was submitted to the office in January after talk of forming a Linden-sponsored dicussion group to collect and voice group reform input. That committee was never formed as far as I know. In fact, the only one that got off the ground was the Event Group. Did anything ever come out of that? Okay okay off subject again, here it is:

This is a compilation of ideas and opinions expressed in the forums, second life users group meetings, and inworld conversations. It is necessarily phrased in my own verbiage and is obviously slanted to my personal views.

Most of the things that Linden Lab can do to foster the formation and continued existence of Second Life communities fall in the category of revising the group code. Communities very simply need tools to share resources and enforce their internal policies. The group forums and property deeding features currently offer quite a bit of information and resource sharing ability. However, there are a few group related ideas that the residents insist will greatly facilitate the building and management of productive second life communities. Two feature sets always dominate the bulk of the conversations:

1)
We need the ability to manage group land options in more than two tiers. An ideal solution is the ability for the offiers to assign land rights to group folders that contain members names. This allows any number of permission sets per group. Assuming that members can be assigned to multiple folders, the results can become quite confusing and create noticible overhead for the database. A reasonably simple alternative will be to increase the number of group membership tiers to a static number such as five. Only allow a member to exist in one tier; but give each tier full land configuration rights that can be managed by the officers.

As a side note, Linden tree creation should be a build option, not a land editing option. It's an understandable oversight; but it's obvious enough that it needs to be quickly repaired.

2)
There has been a lot of talk concerning the distribution of group funds. Most of the people I've talked to go so far as to want a seperation of dwell and commercial monies. Concensus seems to be that the officers need the option of distributing all, or either set of, monies equally among the members, or in individual percentages. Large communities will likely divide monies evenly or among a few people. Smaller groups will have the luxury of regularly tweaking the numbers per member.

Three other less discussed, yet important to the survival of larger communities, features have been introduced into several conversations:

1)
It would be most helpful to have a common inventory storage area. On joining a group, a member's inventory will automatically have added a group folder that functions much like the Linden Library folder. Any group member can add items to the folder and all members can copy items from the folder. Members will no longer have to pass around items and worry about making sure that everyone has the latest updates. This will also help the asset system, to some degree, although members will have to copy items into their personal inventory folders in order to edit them. There is some concern over any member being albe to delete items from the group folder. In my opinion, it should be a free for all common workspace for the entire group to use. Let the officers manage any trouble that ensues.

2)
Items belonging to group members are currently returned if the autoreturn feature is active on group land and the items are not set to that specific group. To a person, everyone agrees that items on autoreturning group land should only be returned to nongroup members regardless of the items' group affiliation. Granted the current system works and is not too demanding in terms of being sure that you have the correct group activated when you build et cetera, people involved in complex, large scale projects are constantly complaining about this.

3)
Finally, it's my considered opinion that Linden Lab can afford to offer Private Estate owners an offset to their monthly fee when their island is associated with a group that provides enough tier to cover half, or more, of the land. This request does not involve any adjustment in the tier system; it only allows an estate owner to pay a regular tier fee to compensate for any allocation not covered by other group members. The group allocation will necessarily have to cover at least half of the land before the owner's cost will be reduced. Linden Lab will actually make more money when group members, including the estate owner, are contributing lesser allocation through higher priced (less discounted) tierage. Of course the owner will always be liable for the full tier any time the group allocation doesn't muster. It's not even necessary to grant the standard week long grace period; we're talking about a feature to aid groups of people dedicated to long term, large scale projects.

Thank you for your time and consideration of these ideas, Khamon Fate - 1/20/05

Those are some great ideas, Khamon - I'm with ya 100%. The current absence of these is the biggest reason why the Shelter doesn't sit on group land.

I really hope this gets the Linden attention it deserves, and at some point - changes are made.

very well said. LL has had basicly the same group code for as long as i've played..they've let us have more..but we still have little to no control of them, foudners have the same power as officers? so your telling me the president of a company has the same power as the vice presidents he hired? very nice. i want to be an officer of LL so i can kick them all out and take second-life.

the more i think this whole thing over the more im unsure how much more time i should be waysting here. at least C++ has good documentation AND the american legal system will actualy protect my creations, unlike what a certain company has clearly shown...


lindens lab's answer is , in second-life your on your own.
(and u damn well better call me Mad Max)

Okay- if this is their policy, why exactly IS he banned?

Consider it's an all-combat sandbox.

Consider the people "living" there enjoy guns, violence, and atomic weaponry.

Consider that the Lindens made Jessie so that people with violent tendences can go play happy happy violence in their own little area.

Jessie has been marginalized over and over through the years... it's the only place where I believe the normal ToS should not be enforced. That was its original intent, and yet has been whittled down to nothing more than a shitty gun showcase.

SL is all about experimentation.

LF

We need more sims like Jessie.
Actually.. we need a small chain of island sims like Jessie.

Noticed your title. Sorry, but we don't allow minors in the FIC.

Consider you might be wrong.

Jessie is not a combat sandbox. Rausch is the combat sandbox. People live and own land in Jessie just as you do in your own sim or sims. If no TOS were enforced in the sim, Jessie would be unusable by everyone. Yes, we enjoy guns in Jessie. Yes, we enjoy popping other av's and being popped from time to time, but there is more. We have reporters, ship makers, builders, scripters. What don't we have? Clubs. Malls. Escorts (they'll get shot). Tringo! We don't have the run of the mill McSL that you obviously think better than Jessie.

If you don't like Jessie than feel free to stay away. But, if you feel like dropping by I will be happy to reinforce all of your preconceptions about my home.