New IRC channel #secondlife on irc.freenode.net

Yeah, I think we have only ever banned 2 people who were SL users (maybe 3), and both of them were acting like complete asses. We have banned a few non-SL users like a spam bot that was visiting us early on, but no, anyone is welcome to join and discuss any topic, as long as it's kept at least moderately civil.

-Adam

So that's where y'all practice up!

coco

I heard you kicked someone merely for wanting to discuss prokofy.

I don't really see that as being a "complete ass".

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Wow, Yashu, you have successfully completed the complete and total moron marathon in one post. The comparisons to Hitler... wow, you just lost about 10,000 goth points with that comment!

Thing is, I know you're smart, but desperately in need of attention. Want me to come pet you daily? Would that help?

-Flip

I guess the FIC is everyone in SL then. Minus a couple.

I see that as odd, I take the pee out of Cienna quite often and kicked for it, but thats because I caused it, Im yet to see anyone be even kicked for no reason, well acept Cienna kicking himself...

Wow, I may not always get along with the admins myself there, but she and the other admins are always very fair to everyone that joins the channel. That's was uncalled for.

I'd say you deserve to be banned from society in general.

Admins? You mean, the irc channel is administered by players? I didn't know irc channels were administered by anybody. But then, I don't use them much and don't know really WHAT they are.

If this irc channel is administered by a few players (who else besides Cienna?) then it makes more sense to have not just one but several competing irc channels. If you are telling me that this irc channel where the Lindens hang out somehow belongs to a few players who administer it, then its no wonder (a) people get kicked from it and (b) some feel unwelcome in it.

coco

For the love of God, give it a rest.

Blah blah blah conspiracy blah blah blah. Blah blah blah! Blah blah.

Blah blah FIC blah blah.

Blah. Blah blah blah.

-Blah

I'm sorry, but I find this utter and total garbage in my opinion.

Efnet #Secondlife has been exceedingly helpful to me as i've started out over the past week.

Unlike most IRC channels they give me meaningful answers to questions that they've most likely heard a hundred times before, not just answers like "Read the Wiki", or "Go read this website" or the ever popular comments like "How stupid are you?".

I find this a shocking and very pleasing change from the norm.

If there are people there that are antisocial I have yet to speak with them. The biggest issue i've had has been 3 people trying to give me a fix for my code at the same time and sorting out which one was right.

I've been on IRC since it started in 1989, and I would have to say Lazarus your attitude is most likely what got you banned. Your language here is not something I can see that channel putting up with.

Perhaps if you stopped holding a grudge against them and acted like a useful human being they might actually let you back in at some point.

IRC channels are started by a user, who has channel operator privileges - which allows then to do various things with the channel, including kick out problem users if necessary. Cienna is the one who started the channel along with Adam Zaius, and has maintained it since then and helped to get it to be as active as it is. Even AOL chat rooms have an admin - if you start an AOL member chat room, you have the ability to control it. If you started the #cocoanut channel on an IRC server, you would have operator privileges - it is open to the public. #secondlife is not an official channel of Linden Lab creation.

As I said, I am in agreement that variety is not a bad thing however. The current channel does have a distinctive tone that appeals to some, but not to others - so the more choice available for users, the better.

I see no problem with competition on IRC channels. Anybody can do it. You join a channel that doesn't exist? boom...you are the founding member of a brand new IRC channel. You can have a channel for every shade of SL opinion, FIC, fifth column, tekki wiki, the jealous user league, etc.

My only beef would be against anybody who would try to draw users to THEIR IRC channel by slandering the effnet #SecondLife channel. As Lasivian said, the folks at #SecondLife are atypical in how welcoming, helpful, and open minded they are.

Enabran, why don't YOU give it a rest. I have every bit as much right to be here as you do, buddy, and to ask WHATEVER QUESTIONS I want to ask, and to make WHATEVER STATEMENTS I want to, particularly since they are common sense ones.

Thank you, Cristiano, for answering my questions. You'll notice Cristiano BOTHERS to answer my questions, Enebran!!! And manages to do it without making some snide crappy suggestion that I am a lunatic looking for some DAMN CONSPIRACY!!!

It doesn't exactly take a ROCKET scientists to conclude that if the IRC channels are INDIVIDUALLY OPERATED, then NATURALLY some people are not going to feel welcome in them, depending on who operates them, and NATURALLY some people will get kicked out of them, by the admins.

WHO I WILL REPEAT - I DID NOT KNOW EXISTED.

Unless you are trying to maintain that people DON'T get kicked from privately operated irc channels, or that all people feel welcome in all of them no matter what.

It happens to make a great deal of difference to to know that not only is this not a Linden channel, it is a channel opened up by individual players who get to administer them. This is a VERY DIFFERENT PICTURE from the erroneous one I had earlier, which was that this was the only channel, and no one could kick anyone out of it. Thank you, Blaze, for starting the new channel, and to Cristiano for explaining how they work, and thus opening my eyes to what these channels are.

Now why don't YOU give it a rest from your relentless misportrayal of me, Enabran. I have every bit as much right to be here as YOU do, and you need to get that through your head and stop condescending to me, and implying that I am not the rational person that I am. If you don't like my opinions - tough. If you don't think the facts I stated - no wonder not everyone feels welcome in an individually operated channel, and no wonder people can kick people out of them - are correct, then say so.

Say something intelligent instead of "for god's sake, give it a rest." Designed only to smear my reputation whenever possible, and who the hell are you to think you get to do that? I don't do that to you!
Again I ask, who the hell do you think you are anyway?

You know, you piss me off something fierce.

coco

P.S. You too, Flipper! Some of you apparently expect everyone to check their common sense and ability to reason at the door here, not to mention their freedom of speech.

Ok, I know you just thanked me and everything, but I REALLY have to mention this one. Flipper was responding to the fact that Lazarus called Cienna a "fucking cyber-hitler". You constantly bemoan personal attacks, now you are calling Flipper on responding to someone who made such a baseless attack against Cienna? You can't have it both ways. Freedom of speech=freedom of speech, not just the stuff you agree with.

I just wanted to make sure that everyone realised that >I< am the true Feted Inner Core.

Woo, another meltdown.

I also think it's not a bad thing that I get extra rights for being FIC. I worked hard for it!

*grabs one of Catherine's fish and smacks Blaze upside the head with it*

The FIC can abuse fish and get away with it OMG CONSPIRACY LOL INTERNETS!

I fully agree that there should be a nice amount of choice in Second Life IRC channels.

Coco: I personally was also surprised that Lindens went on Effnet, and even more so when I learned that it was run by users. It doesn't bother me though -- and everyone's been very nice to me whenever I go there.

You seem like a very nice, smart person and you make a lot of good points. I mean, I guess *some* people do feel unwelcome, though it's beyond me to figure out why, because when I joined like last week nobody said ANYTHING to make me feel bad. Also, newbies routinely join to ask tech questions, and everyone helps them. It's really, really, really REALLY not snobby.

That's 'cause you brought a keg. We'd just run out.

I guess the months that I lurked there were the exception to rule. I have seen people be mean and snarky as hell, and make lame comments when newbies ask dumb questions. Elitism is the norm. IRC has never been known to be friendly, or newbie friendly it is the safe haven of the socially inept and technical elite, and the SL IRC channel is no different.