Ugh

Is that a one trick pony? If so, no thanks, our quota is full for one trick ponies on these boards.

Rule of thumb:

If Prok hates it, you're on the right track

If this is a project designed to help out newbies, they are going about it all the wrong way.

coco

Yeah, suggestions like pushing people into sim seams. Thank you so much!

That was not my suggestion. And you know that.

coco

so let's hear them.

Oh, so you have a lot of experience in this area? Maybe you could post an outline of the proper way to go about it?

what's a better way?

Absolutely right. No one must be allowed to do anything at all under the strength of their opinion or convictions. All must be answerable to everyone else. We must stop them now, before they start doing their own thing!

What was your point in the above post then?

Maybe they are - maybe not - but either way it's THIER project to work on, thier lessons to learn and their decisions to make.. just like Newterwhatever is a private sim thats thiers to govern as they see fit..

I personally ABHOR the idea of government -- would that justify me in saying thier sim should be closed? or having any say in what goes on there whatsover?

If someone else thinks they are going about it wrong - they should try their own hand at doing something about it.

Hell - I personally called out LL when they instituted the land to prim ration, making all their newbie builds utterly useless... I told them about it - and then put my money where my mouth was and founded the GNU Wave Store...

If someone thinks they are doing it wrong - I suggest they do the same... put your money where you mouth is and do something better... if you can.

(for the record I'm not part of the cabinhead project - but wish them every success)

Siggy.

Can we get a bounce script for forum personalities also?

Well, first off, all these ornate plans for "security" are really overboard, imo. I understand the desire not to have griefers muck up what you are doing, but these plans are way too elaborate for the threat posed. (I agree, wholeheartedly, that we need better ways to handle griefers.)

Secondly, this blanket ban on anyone over 30 days is stupid, imo. It's crazy to think that after 30 days you no longer need classes. Scripting, for instance - a good, basic, and I do mean BASIC, class on that is something I could use.

Keeping everyone off who is over 30 days old is not good PR, either, and doesn't help make friends. You could be running off a bunch of good people that way, people that could help the project. And nothing - NOTHING - is worse than teleporting a person home who never did a thing wrong to you. Well one thing - running off new players in the welcome area, that is the worst crime of all, in my book.

Also, this is apparently being set up as something almost akin to the Welcome Areas itself in its scope and intent. And, though I am not sure, it would seem that the Lindens plan on endorsing and publicizing it?

If so, that would be a mistake. It's obvious that just a few people are going to get their hands on newbies in a way that is in-groupy in the extreme, to the point of banning everyone over 30 days old who is not their personal friend.

The trappings of this are too obviously less public service and more private newbie-getting. Whether or not that is the intention.

It is for similar reasons that I'm opposed to restricting the welcome areas only to greeters, liasons, and the like.

So I would advise not shutting out everybody over 30 days except for personal friends. I think that having people sign up for classes ahead of time, then having an admit list, would work much better. I don't know much about this project, though, so maybe there are reasons for not doing this.

And teaching classes should be open to anyone who has knowledge to teach, and who signs up in a similar manner to offer these classes. At least with Linden classes, in events, the ones you get $250 for teaching, or whatever, after you submit an outline or whatever, these are open to everybody, not just a select group of friends.

So - I would suggest dispensing with this "under 30 days" idea. I can see where people would want to limit money trees to under 30 days. But limiting learning - I have never been in favor of that. And I would be for less paranoia about keeping people out, and for more openness in letting people participate.

coco

P.S. Understand that I think the idea of this newbies place to learn things is a good one. But I don't think the Lindens should endorse it as they would their own welcome areas, or that participation in it should be limited to under 30 days.

Coco, as usual you completely miss the point.

Prok is being overly hostile - ironically in the manner he accuses the newbie area managers of being with the security scripts.

Rather than having a mature discussion on how to improve a project, he calls it "Ugh", rants about how bad it is and how bad the people behind it are.

This filth doesn't belong on the forum. I'm effing tired of this 3rd grade B.S. Prok spews out that attacks people and then expects people to take him seriously.

Coco, do yourself a favor. Do not try and emulate Prok. Pick someone who is well liked and still has good ideas.

This thread has outlived its usefulness and as such is being closed.