Ugh

You remove people from your land using existing land tools or scripts which:

1) warn
2) bounce away a certain distance but do not aggressively bounce all the way home or across half a sim.

Very often people are just flying around exploring, they are not griefing, and shouldn't be treated as criminals and intruders. As more private islands come on line, even the area around private islands is filled up more and is not an obvious void.

Here is what Nolan says in another thread, which you have to wonder he can't concede in this thread:





What's extraordinary is that I thought there was a consensus on 1) warnings with sufficient time limits and 2) not pushing all the way home. None other than Lee Linden endorsed this!

But as soon as the FIC starts their Cabinhead project, they throw this out the door obviously, and Nolan conveniently gives them a pass, and they announce their intention to send avs all the way home, and then even whine that the Lindens are going to remove that function from the game.

It's just appalling. I really despair sometimes for humanity when I see the depth of aggressivness and dense stupidity at work in doing something like this.

The way to get rid of event griefers is to boot and ban. There's no need to harass 91 day people who aged before they could explore the game, those willing to come informally to such a sim as they would to a WA and help out without being regimented into a class schedule, and others who just fly by.

if you don't like it, come up with something better. no one is stopping you from coming up with something better.

Did you know that not all islands are open to the public?

Does this mean you think I shouldn't be able to remove or ban people from my parcel on the mainland?

It is not your right to go into private sims, or Joe Blow's parcel on the mainland, it's at the discretion of the property owner, just like real life!

Maybe Prokofy is worried that he won't be able to spy on Cabinhead with an alt!
Then he won't be able to run to the forums with his Prokofy account and say "AHAH! 'Someone' told me that XYZ on Cabinhead did XYZ! Can you believe it? The outrage!"

LOL! ummmm, you do realize that would require use of the dreaded push function right? Enebran was right. This thread is comedy gold.

Ohhhhhh....so the cat is out of the bag now? Turns out this isn't the public interest project it was bruited about to be? It isn't some big welcome mat for newbies, but just a select little chute to capture some special newbies and usher them into the PRIVATE LIFE OF PRIVATE ISLANDS???

So...it's not really about volunteering for the public good, having an attitude of public spiritedness and public mindedness, running an open shop, being accesssible, it's about "me and my private island I paid $200 for"?

Oh, ok. I'm glad we learned that sooner rather than later.

But Prok, the problem is, regarding the teleport home, you can't just push someone off an island. Teleport is the only way to get rid of them.

coco

Nope. Existing in the game now are bounce scripts that a) warn and give sufficient time to clear and b) if you don't clear, don't bounce you home or really far but just knock you a bit away from the land. I encounter them all the time. Nothing about the game need be changed and not sliders or buttons are needed on the av.

Prok, I empathize with you. I really do. I think this time you have a real point and I'm sorry that everyone's allegiances and bullshit are getting in the way of recognizing that. I understand your position, and I regret that all that is left to you is your retirement from Second Life. I wish it didn't have to come to this.

Good luck. Hope your next home is a more civil one. Farewell!

But I don't think those work on private islands, Prok.

coco

Coco, that doesn't appear to be true. Unless they've really changed something about islands in the latest patch, I've gone to islands where I might be admitted, but then the admission or group expires or they ask you to leave, and then you are on "ban" and not on admit. There's an events island with this system. And you don't get bounced all the way home, but just bounced around in that near vicinity. It's the bouncing home that angers people, because it often crashes their game.

Teleport Home is the function the Lindens are contemplating getting rid of now. That means they, in their tekkie wisdom, weigh different things in the balance and come up with this solution. But we have a hysterical bunch now trying to dissuade them from doing the right thing. It's horrible.

It is. You're right. It's so horrible, my friend. I understand why you simple cannot abide this corruption any further. I cannot blame you. Withdrawing from this system before it consumes you is the only alternative I could imagine, in your place, myself. Godspeed!

Sorry to disappoint, Enabran, but when I immigrate to a new country, I don't go "back to where I came from" just because a lot of yahoos tell me to, anymore than someone who fled Cuba has to go back to that country once they've settled in the United States.

Knock Knock!

You do realize there is NOWHERE TO PUSH THEM ON AN ISLAND SIM?

Now you are advocating push scripts, when you have railed against them for how long now?
***** 5 stars! Comedic brilliance! A must see!

can't get bounced from a private island to off the island.

trying to use a bounce script on someone to get them off an island is kind of cruel as you stuck on the edge of the sim and then bounced again and again and again and again because you're still on the island. it's a really unpleasant experience.

You needn't save face, my dear Prokofy, you needn't do that! I understand your position absolutely. This is indeed the final straw and I cannot blame you, my friend. This is surely all that one man can take. Amid all this conspiracy, how may an honest man lead honest existence? You stated it before, your path is clear. I will not indict you for following it.

KNOCK KNOCK

Did you realize that you can block them from entry but not push them all the way home?

The issue is pushing them home. Those scripts do not HAVE to be used. Ordinary tools can be used.

The Lindens are contemplating getting rid of Teleport Home. They get it. Unfortunately, the monster they created doesn't.

if you don't like it, come up with something better.

no one is stopping you from coming up with a better idea.

The only other alternative is push. It's an island not attached to anything so you can't push them off of it because there's nowhere to push them to! Good grief. No wonder you find simple buttons so confusing.

No, Stoneself, I've had that experience, and it is not unpleasant by contrast with the experience of being pushed all the way home, which often crashes people's games, and that is what REALLY gets them mad. You're just not hearing from the common man, hear.

When you bounce around aimlessly at the edge of the sim, you leave and go somewhere else.

Of course, I still don't understand why you'd have to have a "Welcome" island on ban, but hey, I'm no longer surprised at the FIC's shenanigans anywmore.

LIke I said Enabran, sorry to disappoint.

Someday your taunting voices will come back to haunt you.

No what is extrodinary is that you would choose to be willfully ignorant in order to further your cranky rant...

That thread (one you started by the way - so you absolutely KNOW what was being discussed there) and Nolans post in particular is dealing with PUSH SCRIPTS... those things that YOU call weapons..

And what they were talking about here was a teleport script (which by the way, I doubt if you ever saw in action -- so your other 2 points can be considered null and void too as you can't prove they weren't there).

You know for someone who pretends to be a journalist and a translator, you have very piss poor comprehension skills, and bugger all objectivity.. just thought I'd mention that.

Siggy.

How do you knock someone "a bit away", when the sim is situated in a void?

What do you do, if they are already in the sim, not on the ban list? Sure, you can ban them, but that doesn't help until next time.

Could you please state, since you seem to be mixing and matching here, what you are against? Push scripts? TP agent home scripts? Both?

You do realize that in the very post you quoted at the beginning of this thread, it stated the intent to warn before ejecting, don't you?



And you also realize that you cannot bounce someone 'a bit away' from a private sim, right?

Um, duh, I know that. I've experienced this exact thing as I mentioned. There is somewhere to go, which is just around that island, not all the way home, which crashes your game.

Simple buttons need not be added to complexify an already complex game further when all the Lindens have to do is ban teleport home without warning -- and, as we can see from their very welcome message in "features" they get why they need to remove it.

It's really a wonderful thing to see, Linden common sense and pragmatism and wisdom balancing the needs of the community and coming up with this solution. More power to them!

Well, sure ya can! They just end up on Cotton Candy Mountain, with Pony Linden, and have adventures! This is a perfectly fair idea. If an intruder begins harassing a private sim, just push the offender toward Cotton Candy Mountain!

Uh, you sure can, as was just said by other posters who claimed this was "the more negative experience."

It isn't. YOu just bounce around that area, but not all the way home. It is annoying, and you log or get out of there, but it doesn't go so far as tob e totally disoirenting and crashing your game.