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McWheelie Baldwin
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02-10-2005 12:30
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Nolan Nash
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02-10-2005 12:30
Well, the free market has been pretty successful in the US for educational choice - what you want to be when you "grow up" and job selection - what job you end up taking. I decided what education to get. I decided what job to take. Just as you can in SL. _____________________
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Henry Hutchence
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02-10-2005 12:30
>Please give me 3 concrete examples of truly free markets that have worked for any sustainable period of time
North America Central America South America Did I leave any out? |
Chicago Kent
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02-10-2005 12:32
Yes, NAFTA for sure.
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Wes Chen
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02-10-2005 12:32
be,am,is,are,was,where,when,may,might,must,can,could,shall,be,should. I,we,the,a. Those dont count as words so get to crackin. When words come to factor ever 5 spaces is one word. |
Shadow Weaver
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02-10-2005 12:34
LMAO, Im sorry folks I just cant do it please someone else take my place today Im in tears here...LMAO.
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Chicago Kent
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02-10-2005 12:35
LMAO, Im sorry folks I just cant do it please someone else take my place today Im in tears here...LMAO. Shadow. Shadow, I did not mean to offend you with any of my posts. I merely wanted to ask Phillip Linden for a free market. Please dont take anything I said as a personal affront. I did not mean to make you cry. |
Shadow Weaver
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02-10-2005 12:37
>Please give me 3 concrete examples of truly free markets that have worked for any sustainable period of time North America Central America South America Did I leave any out? Actually Henry they are regulated markets through Governmental control. Through neither source can you at any point have a total monopoly of product or services even if its through assimulation. But Semi Free none the less. Shadow _____________________
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Shadow Weaver
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02-10-2005 12:40
Actually Chicago I have been here to long and seeing this to me was all like a reminising walk down memory lane.
But hey thats ok have fun with it even though you will get shot in the ass repeatedly. Just remember when you grow up make sure you have more ass than the forums have Teeth and so far looks like you merely have flesh wounds nothing serious so your off to a good start...LMAO. Shadow The Ancient with more ass than the forums have Teeth. _____________________
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Chicago Kent
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02-10-2005 12:41
Thank you for the kind advice, Shadow. I'm not sure why so many people are against the free market.
I'm hoping once Phillip reads my letter, he will become convinced by its content and convert SL to the free market. |
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02-10-2005 12:47
*raises her left eyebrow, then her right one, then her left one, then her right one, then her left one, then her right one, then her left one ... * Please come and collect your eyebrows from my land, at coords [16.430, 241.380, 4038.483] I don't know how they got that high up.... :> _____________________
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Schwanson Schlegel
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02-10-2005 12:51
How is SL not a free market?
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Nolan Nash
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02-10-2005 12:52
Thank you for the kind advice, Shadow. I'm not sure why so many people are against the free market. I'm hoping once Phillip reads my letter, he will become convinced by its content and convert SL to the free market. Also I am a bit confused by the contrast of your statements in this thread with this post, a response to Kris, in another thread: I built for fun! 'Course, back then, you started with a couple thousand L$, could pick up a nice chunk of land for next to nothing, Land Barons didnt exist til the following week, and you could use as many prims as you wanted unless your neighbor had built a bookcase. What would I do now as a noob? Dunno. Money roolz. Can't have fun without it. (should I put a Mole style </sarcasm> at the bottom of every post, btw?) Keep the free market. The free market is good for all. Most efficient allocation of resources. I really hope the part about Phillip becoming "convinced by its content and convert SL to the free market" is tongue-in-cheek. _____________________
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Chicago Kent
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02-10-2005 12:52
There is too much government interference with the economy. When I said keep the free market earlier, I was under the mistaken impression SL had a free market.
As I am new to SL, I only later realized that we exist in a socialist state. Also, why would Phillip not read my post and become convinced the free market is the way to go? Everyone says he is very open to ideas. |
Nolan Nash
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02-10-2005 12:53
There is too much government interference with the economy. Examples? _____________________
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Chicago Kent
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02-10-2005 12:54
Examples? Stipends, for one thing. Also, tiering fees are regressive. |
Schwanson Schlegel
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02-10-2005 12:54
There is too much government interference with the economy. Please be more specific. How is LL interfering? (I have been away from the forums a few days and maybe I missed something) _____________________
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02-10-2005 12:55
Please come and collect your eyebrows from my land, at coords [16.430, 241.380, 4038.483] I don't know how they got that high up.... :> Haaaa I raise them for safekeeping when trolls come around. Don't want them to get eaten ![]() _____________________
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Shadow Weaver
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02-10-2005 12:56
Ok no sarcasm here but to be honest Chicago your interpretation of Linden Lab and the economy is variably skewed.
While valent to want to stave off Player Run Governments or influential control of markets unfortunately you create Monopolys. Now with that in mind yes I am still vehemently againsts "Player Run Governments" which was defined at least 4000 time in other posts over the last two years. However, I am not against Linden Lab instituting methods for balencing money flow and control as it allows the currency to sustain value. Although noble in want your theorectical Idea of "Free Market" is flawed. Unfortunately, with no controls to impeed the influx of currency and no way to bleed off the same would create not a "Free Market" but a "Stagnant Market" So, with that in mind remember this SL enjoys a very very free market within the confines of the definition of a society. Money maintains a equitable value while the percieved fair market prices are adhered to by merchants through consumer voting. Ie what they purchase from each vendor and their percieved pricing of the product=Voting. In addition those same Merchants do not pay taxes...a control set forth by a controling goverment thus stifeling a true "Free Marke. A free market of which we currently now enjoy. When LL puts taxs on sales and levies fines against those that do not pay associated taxes then we no longer have a free market. So think about that a minute and you will see we have a free market and your proposal at best is a moot point. Have a nice day. Sincerely, Shadow Weaver _____________________
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Chicago Kent
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02-10-2005 12:56
Stipends, for one thing. Also, tiering fees are regressive. Also, LL is too involved in the judicial process. They just need to let the market solve everything. |
Chicago Kent
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02-10-2005 12:59
Now with that in mind yes I am still vehemently againsts "Player Run Governments" which was defined at least 4000 time in other posts over the last two years. Player run governments are totally anathama to SL's success. It would only create favortism, corruption, and fifedoms. LL needs to stick to the free market. |
Chicago Kent
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02-10-2005 13:00
Also, stipends need to be eliminated.
Why do they exist? Its simply free money. In a free market, there is no free money. Somebody always pays. When you give away free money, people feel no need to go out and create income. |
Pirate Cotton
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02-10-2005 13:07
If there was no money supply we'd end up with deflation as the userbase grew.
Think of free money as the SL equivelant of harvesting resources in our offline hours. And whoever thinks south and central america have sustained free markets for a long time.. let alone SUCCESSFUL ones... nice happy world you live in ![]() _____________________
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Shadow Weaver
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02-10-2005 13:21
Also, stipends need to be eliminated. Why do they exist? Its simply free money. In a free market, there is no free money. Somebody always pays. When you give away free money, people feel no need to go out and create income. Therin lies the fallacy of your argument as a retort if LL didnt give the money to us where would we presume to get it from? No Implied government, which LL is what most considered the implied government here, would mean no money. Where would we get the money that we utilise to barter with? I mean seriously does this mean I could Mint my own funds and become my own commonwealth. Or would we trade clothes like trading base ball cards I mean at that point only commodities would be of any intrensic value. So per your perception the Content Creator would in essence become the "Money" mints as they would be providing the source of all value to trade with. Be them Clothiers/Scripters/Builders or Texturers either way they would then be the final control of the markets stability and thus again no longer a free market but Monopolys. I can see it now ...." I will give you 3 Neph Dresses and a Chip Skin for a Casaval Script" Again your being nieve in understanding the true concept of a free market and how it differs to a market with a tangiable currency. What you are defining is Anarchy and the only the Strong survive mentality fortunately for you that went out in the middle ages when masses killed despot rulers. Anyway have fun with it, as Jimmy Neutrons Dad would say.... Shadow _____________________
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Eggy Lippmann
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02-10-2005 13:23
Give it up Alby. We all know it's you.
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