Out of touch - or - ahead of the curve?

All those sources have a liberal bias anyway, Nolan... you should know that by now

Either that or some kind of hippie marxist nazi jew soft racism thing going on.

The rain in spain falls mainly on the plain. But, it never rains in Southern California.

/me goes waaaaaay off topic to get me a spankin'.

The actual % which is debatable is irrelavent. To get hung up on that is trivial and a diversionary tactic so you do not have to address the points I made. We could argue about it all you want but the facts are that the Democratic party who traditionally has the minority vote is or has lost the Mexican American vote.

Please please close your eyes to that face and don't address the problem. Nothing would please me more.

Yeah uh ok. Kerry got over 50%. That does not equal "has lost the Mexican American Vote".

I should remind you, that are the one who picked on my post with trivial insights. And you were incorrect about the hispanic vote with those "facts".

Have the dems lost ground with them? Yes. Did the majority vote Bush? No.

I am aware of the problems with the dems and the minority vote.

Thanks for telling me something I already knew though.

Can we talk about California again now, or are you going to use the thread to make a point about how the dems lost ground with the minority vote for the duration?

You know what... lol... forget I said anything... lol... anything at all... lol... keep everything as it is... lol... everything will be ok!

lol...lol...lol...

Oh please don't stop Gracing me with your vast knowledge!

That's it.. lol... patronize me... lol... nothing is wrong at all... lol

Does the fact you're babbling incoherently mean you admit that you started the trivial crap?

That's "mock", not "patronize".

Just so you know Billy, I am not a democrat. I am not driven by party in my posts, unlike you you who has a hard time being objective, because you wear your party on your sleeve.

This is why I avoid all the ridiculous Dems vs. Reps shithole threads in the OT section.

It's all polemics.

By the way, what ARE you talking about, "everything's ok"?

Is something wrong?

Your party is gaining ground with minorities, be happy.

You are exactly right… lol… I am babbling incoherently… lol… believe nothing I have said... lol... keep everything as it is… lol… everything will work out.

Btw… horrible job of “avoid all the ridiculous Dems vs. Reps shithole threads”… lol… what a crock.

And yes, I am very happy that my party is gaining ground with minorities. Go ahead and explain to the children what is wrong with that… rofl.

Have no clue what you are talking about. What does it have to do with this thread? What does it have to do with anything? It would be nice if you would explain what "everything" is.
You find me one thread other than this one, where I have discussed politics in the past several months. You can't, because I don't. Precisely because they are full of posturing and armchair politicking. Does that mean I don't have opinions or a clue about politics? No, it means I see it as futile to debate with people who are stubborn, immovable edifices when it comes to the subject. It's pointless, as this little debate here shows.

Believe me, had I known that Billy the GOP pit bull was gonna use the thread as a podium to hate on the Dems some more, I would have closed the link.

I was responding to Prokofy's assertion, and along comes Billy to set me straight with "facts". Billy then also uses the opportunity to take a couple swings at the Democratic party.

I correct Billy, because 44% does not constitute an "overwhelming majority".

Billy, who can't be wrong, then turns it on me, and blames me for introducing trivial topics.

WooHoo! Tricky. But not tricky enough.


Children? Whaaa? Wtf are you talking about dude? I don't read minds, so if you could elaborate, I'd really appreciate it. I have not stated there was something wrong with it either way. I simply want the record to be straight as far as this claim about the "overwhelming majority" goes.

Figure it out Einstein

I was referring to what you were doing and still are doing in this thread but I think you know that.


Just because I disagree with Dems and Liberals (i.e. you) that does not mean I “hate” them OR you for that matter. This is the problem with you libs now days. Everything is defined by hate and jealousy. Bate me all you want but I still don’t hate you… even if you hate me.

Don’t like what I have to say, don’t read it. Either that or go have a friggin private chat with Prok. Take that crap elsewhere or don’t complain when someone tries to have a discussion with you on a PUBLIC forum.


Looks to me like there is only 1 person here obsessed with having to be right and nitpicks about something that is irrelevant… YOU!


I simply don’t believe that you do not recognize I was using an expression. No need to comment.


Read the thread, I have faith in your intelligence that you will figure out what I was saying. It would be pointless to restate it again here.


The exact figure doesn’t matter Nolan… everything I said still applies. How about addressing the issue I raised instead of being so obsessed about a number already.

Nice. Sorry, I don't speak gibberish, interspersed with "lol".
I certainly wasn't here to talk about the democrats losing ground with minorities, I simply disagreed with Prokofy, then you started blathering about "fact". Who are you to question why I am in this thread? You aren't my Master tuff-guy.
Look dude, I told you I am not a dem. I really dislike both sides because they both hate on each other, spread misinformation, and divide this country. This BS defacto two party system and polarized folks like you will be the undoing of this country.
You know, that cuts both ways. You didn't have to initiate conversation with me. You didn't have to read what I said. You didn't have to talk down to me as if you were a polysci professor, especially when you didn't have you "facts" straight.
Naw. It has nothing to do with wrong or right, to be honest. It has everything to do with combating partisan based misinformation. The difference between what you claimed and where the numbers really are is as big as the Grand Canyon. If we were talking a few percentahge points, THAT would be nitpicking. Pointing out the gross disparity between your claim and reality is not.
I don't speak gibberish as I said above. If you want to talk like a 3 year old, have at it. I don't give two shits what you believe about me, because you've already proven through your assumption that I am a "lib", that you don't know jack about me.
I have read the thread, and nope, your bizzare ramblings do not compute. But then I have always had trouble understanding obtuse ramblings.
I did. 44% does not equal an "overwhelming majority". I don't have to deal with your issue that is unrelated to the topic of this thread, although as I have stated, while you evidently had your fingers in your ears, that I know about the dems losing SOME minority vote, and that I think I know why. That "why" has nothing to do with this thread, so I am not going to go there, and you won't be ordering me to. Got it? Good.

This thread is about California. Not how many Hispanics voted for Bush, why, and what assholes you think the dems are. This thread is not a venue for you gloat and to rub the dems noses in it.

You figure it out "Einstein".

I am through with you bud. Wasting more time on this with you is akin to sticking my head in a wood chipper.

Liberalism is like most things...okay in moderation. CA's population and many aspects of the state may not be the ideal liberal environment, but I think it gets it's reputation due to the amount of high-publicity liberal ideas that originate there. (?) Maybe the Rep successes in CA are a backlash against a very outgoing and vocal minority? (Especially celebrity driven crap.) Not to mention that most liberal economic ideas require high taxes, and that's never popular.

But a good general rule to go by is...if an actor/performer is saying it--IT IS WRONG.

btw - CA's governors may be mostly Rep, but how often does CA vote R for a president? It's a different game, there. Why the difference?

lol! Now this is a good topic!

But hey man, at least Jersey has the lowest gas prices in the country, last I heard!

Also you have to distinguish between north and south jersey. Are you in north jersey? I don't live in this imaginary concept of "New Jersey". I live in south jersey (not for much longer, which is mostly a good thing, I hope VA doesn't turn out to be a heap). But the south is much better than the north. Of course, the north is where the money is, so most news you hear about "New Jersey" = North Jersey. (Except for Camden, that shithole is an anomaly.) And since most Jersey news is bad news, what can I say? hahaha...

I think we're also the "wealthiest state" or some other such rubbish. I believe it's due to all the tightwad assholes up north with more money than they know what to do with (who, so I've been told anyway, inherited it all). Whatever. North Jersey has to be the most economically segregated area in the nation. Some areas are perfect, couldn't be better (or more expensive), and then you have areas that make living in a nuclear waste dump sound fantastic. Newark comes to mind.

An almost equally bad smelling pile of dung that NJ is blessed with is our politicians. What is it? Something like "most corrupt government in the country" comes to mind? "Pay to play" politics? Here you go, here's a donation, Mr. Asshole politican--now that government contract will definitely go to my company's way overpriced services, right??? "Oh, of course!" Our governor is *for real* "selected not elected", and Democrat, I'll add, for those who think the Dems can do no evil.

Honestly, I think something's in the water here...mostly in the north, but something has to be in the water or environment making people stupid. Whatever it is, it also spills into Philly and probably NY. It's the only rational explaination for this. I mean, this IS the chemical capital of the nation, isn't it? How did Sandra Bullock put it in that movie? We also have the market cornered on assholes, with the highest asshole to non-asshole ratio in the country, I think. Hell, I'm one of em.

BTW, to whoever said it earlier--how is NJ "ahead of the curve"?

Guess you aren’t as smart as I gave you credit for… my mistake


Again, you are doing a really bad job about NOT talking about it… rofl


Right… conservatism practically defines you Nolan… rofl… *falls out of my chair laughing* You are as liberal as they come bud, you just don’t want to admit it… kind of like Kerry and his grades now that I think about it.


I am perfectly fine with conversing with you Nolan and will hapilly do so til the cows come home. You are the one who it seams cant take it… rofl. Take your private discussion to the private forums if you don’t want anyone to comment on what you have to say.


We can all see how you aren’t all about “whose right” Your insistence and focus on a number that has very little to do with what I had to say still will not hide the fact that you will not address the truths that are contained in my analysis.


Nice… resorting to childish name calling… how typical and how sad.


Your loss. I was clear and concise, sorry if you don’t understand. I am certainly not going to restate the entire thing again for someone who just likes to argue. Choose to or not to address the issues I raised… doesn’t really matter to me.


Nobody but you seems to care about the specific number… got it? Good.

Then why did you comment on it in the first place? Rofl


hahaha… too funny, you should be a comedian Nolan… good one!


Oh, I do have it figured out. TYVM


Great, it will save me from having to respond to your BS anymore. I am so glad that we agree that you shouldn’t respond. Have a nice day Nolan.

"Eighty percent of pollution is caused by trees and plants" - Ronald Reagan

Hmmm... you may be on to something there.

"I don't know if a country (America) where the people are so ignorant of reality and of history, if you can call that a free world." -- Jane Fonda

(I think we could name a few.)

"W)hen Communist U.S.S.R. was a superpower, the world was better off. The right-wing media is trying to marginalize the peace movement." -- Janeane Garofalo

(I'm sure John Kennedy would have agreed.)

"In a situation like this, of course you identify with everyone who's suffering. (But we must also think about) the terrorists who are creating such horrible future lives for themselves because of the negativity of this karma. It's all of our jobs to keep our minds as expansive as possible. If you can see (the terrorists) as a relative who's dangerously sick and we have to give them medicine, and the medicine is love and compassion. There's nothing better." -- Richard Gere

(I'm sure the 9/11 families would agree.)

"Have we gone to war yet? We f****** deserve to get bombed. Bring it on." -- Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders

"Let's get rid of all the economic (expletive) this country represents! Bring it on, I hope the Muslims win!" -- Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders

(What can I say to this? Besides ask the question, what's your moving date to leave the country?)

(Ironic, since celebrities are the essence of all the "economic shit".)

Hugs. Apparently you need one.

"It may have to do with America's racial diversity..." — Charlton Heston, when asked why there were over 11 000 deaths due to gun violence in America.

Target-rich environment?

"[W]hen I told him that job discrimination against gays is legal
in 41 states, he actually said to me that that was
unconstitutional. While he was a congressman. Frightening."
--Chastity Bono on her dad, Sonny Bono

And the beatings go on...


"I think that gay marriage should be between a man and a woman."
- Arnold Schwarzenegger

Either way you look at it, he's half right.

Wow, Billy. Aren't you above this, my friend? It really appears to me that you're just digging your heels in vs. actively listening. As someone who largely shares your worldview, I'm gonna call you on what I see as your "begging the question;" that is, starting your arguments with the premise that you are "right" and using that "rightness" as justification for your arguments. No one enjoys the right to operating within a self-serving circular argument -- at least not for long.

First one: Actually, while I think that statement is quite wrong, he may be on to something there--no racial diversity, no big racism problem, right? Of course, that's the stupid/easy way out and deprives the country of one of the very things that make us so successful over the years--our immigrants. Not to mention the fact that even if it were true, due to little things called the US Consitution and basic moral values, it would be kinda hard to do anything about.

Arnold's quote seems like one of those "misspoken" things, I don't like those kinds of quotes. He probably meant to omit the word "gay", either that or it was said in jest, who knows.

I think it's safe to say that everyone says something that they look back on later and regret saying it. Although sadly I doubt most of those we just quoted really would say they regretted anything.