W-Hat Question and Answer thread!

My shop has been just 100 meters or so from W-Hat HQ for months now. I testify that I have never had a problem with them except for a couple sound loops that were kindly removed upon my request. One of them once left a giant robot blocking my shop entrance but it never happened again after that.


My Question :

The main complaint I hear is mass attacks on Avatars with negative ratings, please explain the type of situations you feel warrants such attacks.

If you aren't griefers, how come several of your members have been "punished" for griefing, and then whined about it?

And when these members were suspended, or otherwise punished, how come they weren't removed from the group, but were instead defended heavily by fellow members?

How come W-Hat members act like obnoxious children so often, and many times give the impression that they are only brave(obnoxious) when traveling in packs and using mob-tactics?

Have a good day.

Nobody in W-Hat would have it. W-Hat has about 150 members. The Something Awful forums have over 50,000. No admins or mods from SA play SL.

As a group: nothing.

There is historically a lot of bad blood between furries and SA forum members. See the Something Awful Forums Wikipedia article and the Furry Wikipedia article.

If you are referring to the "post a thread about it" answer, it's kind of a joke; the thread would be met with intense ridicule and the poster would probably be put on probation.

If a member decides to neg rate somebody, for any reason, it is their decision, their business, and has nothing to do with the group. Using the group channel or forums to get other people to come neg rate someone for no reason is against our rules, and, to my knowledge, has not happened.

Ah! I think You're from the e-mafia. Or whatever you call yourselves.

If you're the guy I think you are, I don't think you're one to talk about griefing, considering you consistently come into OUR LAND without provocation and grief us by setting off bombs which knock us a few zones away (and if I remember; you were banned for it too.) and spamming our chat channels. Try again.

As far as those suspended, like I said, we play by our own rules, but nothing that interferes with others' Second Life expirience for the most part. We've been known to play some childish pranks, but how Linden staff interperts that isn't under our control. And we defend our own kind. Sometimes we don't see valid reasons why we were banned. Heck, sometimes we aren't even GIVEN reasons why we were banned. We just find ourselves unable to login for a week when we haven't even logged in for the past three days. The Lindens have a watchful eye on our group, mostly because WAYYY back when the group was first formed (Before I joined) there were, in short, a bunch of griefing dickheads who were forcibly removed after awhile because they brought shit raining down upon W-Hat at every turn, so to speak. So at best, they're apprehensive towards us and most anything we do.

And how come we act like obnoxious children when we're in packs? I have no idea. We don't perceive it that way. But to each their own I guess.

In reply to Beau Perkins:

I haven't participated in any "mass neg-rep" attacks in my entire SL career, save for once. Above, I mention the "e-mafia" as we jokingly call them. This group of individuals came onto our land to confront us about a piece we had up in Baku. Long story short, we came to talk to them (or I did at least) and they shot me with pushguns.
After zoning back, we were almost immediately nuked with a missile that violated ToS pretty much in about every way possible an item could. We had scripted objects attached to our avatars, etc. We negrepped en masse both the creator and owner, as we were able to right click/edit one before it could deliver its annoying payload. I imagine that this is justified. We rarely negrep people. I don't even use the negrep button unless someone is being a huge blatant jackass, such as boxing over something I'm working on constantly, or maybe shooting me with a pushgun after a couple of insistences to stop. I assume many people would do the same.

PS: Sorry about my horrible spelling in the OP, it was 2-3 AM. and I have long hours to keep :\ I know "grief" isn't spelled "greif" now that I've had a decent rest.

Ben, as I stated already, I never had a problem with you guys so I have no choice but to believe what you say. BUT

How would you explain the high number of complaints that claim they WERE Negrated by a bunch of W-hat members for no reason at all then.

I think I *get* W-HAT. I think the builds in Baku are brilliant and fun. And even though I don't think they know I exist, I may just be in love with W-HAT. Someone tell Charlotte.

~impy

Thanks for the informative links.

-Ghoti

People have no idea what they're talking about, and are looking for a scapegoat? I don't honestly know how to respond to that, considering I'm pretty conservative with how I give out negreps. If someone was, then I have no control over that. That'd be something to take up with whoever negrepped them, not with the group.

Haha. There's actually nothing to "get" about W-Hat. If the internet were a piece of paper, we'd be kids with crayons. It's just a chaotic collection of projects, random things we find cool or amusing, or whatever. If you're a fan of Stephen King, we have a certain tower built that you might find interesting.

You are mistaken. I am not the guy you are thinking of. I don't come to your land, nor have I ever griefed. But nice try. I just don't like bullies and mobs.



Actually, you play by LL's rules here, and some w-hat members have whined like babies when caught red-handed "playing by your rules" and getting suspended. I seem to remember "griefing dickheads" from W-Hat not all that long ago..say a month or two, being suspended.



If you hamper other's enjoyment of Second Life for your own enjoyment, at any time, that would be obnoxious and griefing by most peoples perceptions.

"David Valentino: Member of the Valentino family mafia." a quick people search finds.
Yes, you are exactly who I think you are. You should be one to talk about bullies and mobs. If you're not the culprit, then please inform your capslock mashing friends that we find their scripted objects hilarious.

We do play by LL's rules. I meant to say that we don't function according to SL social norms. However, griefing done by members of W-Hat is not my problem, and the sooner they leave our group the better. Like I said, go take it up with whoever neg-repped you. I'm pretty sure there's only one guy in our group who's doing anything like that, and we're pretty damn pissed at him right now.

LOL! I am indeed an old member of the Valentino Mafia. And as such, I've never griefed a single person. The only time I've ever shot at anyone was another mafia member who attacked first. As I said, I don't go to W-Hat land, I've never set a bomb in SL, and anyone that knows me, as several do on these forums, know that I am anything but a griefer. I dispise griefers and bullies and assholes, and am outspoken in my dislike of such behavior.

I have no idea who this capslock mashing person is your speaking of, and as far as i know, the Valentino mafia has never had any problems as a group with W-Hat.

Also, no one has neg-rated me from W-Hat...yet.

You may wish to gather your facts and get them straight if you are going to do the answering in a Q&A session. Thus far all I've heard is the same old denials, misdirection and side-stepping that's been done by your members on these forums so many times before.

What was the purpose of this thread?

Your mother

What is W-Hat's position on global warming?

I can try if you point out specific examples. I can only remember two people complaining about being mass negged by W-Hat members. I don't know anything about the first, and she didn't even actually mention W-Hat, but the second absolutely earned it. In both cases I am pretty sure it was only two people who neg rated them, which I think is hardly "a bunch." If there are more complaints, I haven't seen them.

WTF?

One thing that aggravates me is that in the past some members have been disciplined and suspended for actions similar, and much less, than that happening with the W Hat group.

I dont know why the W Hat group gets away with doing that others have been sanctioned for doing, particularly with the build. I hate this uneven disparate treatment.

Give a specific example of something w-hat has done that has gotten others in trouble if you wouldn't mind.

What is griefing, and what is social and political satire? Answer that, and you may have your answer.

Your members greifed me because I am from LUE, what have you got to say about that?

i am sure that is some sort of socio-political humour. however, i was paying you (huns valen) a compliment. so much for that.
would anyone else like to try to answer my question (without posting a table of brahmi labials?) about why there is a w-hat endorsed answer on the w-hat website to a question about whether or not SL users are "fags" which says *yes- pretty much*, and also goes on to attack the personal lives of SL users? this is supposedly a w-hat questions and answers thread so i really don't understand the avoidance of my question.

i think its a valid question as ryen jade has linked us to it as some sort of proof that you arent greifers. i could understand if it was just a comment, but its published as part of some sort of guide for new w-hatters. if a get another deflective answer, i think i will just assume that you have no defense for it and move on and pretend your group doesnt exist.

again, for your perusal if you care to answer:

(edited)

Short answer: Pretty much.

Second Life is NOT a creationary tool within a fantastic imaginary world that serves as an extended chat room. Second Life is, in reality, a giant sandbox and playground for older adults with failed lives to start over in, gleefully acting like children and teenagers.
-- Susano-maku da! *

Griefer: n. An individual who uses online games, instant messaging, e-mail, or any other communication method to harass, obstruct, or in some way make an experience sour for another person.

By that definition, many members of W-Hat are infact griefers... The group itself may not be a griefer group, but the fact remains that many of its members engage in the act of griefing, often teaming up to do so... I have actually been a victim of griefing from several members of W-Hat, one of which, the founder, had their account temporarily suspended by a linden for it.

I find it rather amusing the way W-Hat claims to not take anything very seriously... The fact is they take theirselves QUITE seriously, so seriously infact that one of them started a whole mess of trouble with me over the fact that i derezed a physical object of his that dropped the sim's time dialation to 0.2... and he was doing it on my land after i already asked him to leave for causing problems.

If he doesn't take himself very seriously, he shouldn't have been so offended at my having taken action to preserve the sim's stability... He shouldn'thave been offended so much that he would stir up so much trouble that it would get the founder of W-Hat temporarily banned...

So like I said, while W-Hat itself may not be a group dedicated to griefing and making trouble for other users, many of its members including its founder have been reprimanded by Lindens for harrasing other users.

Let it be known, I hate to argue. Especially about topics people don't have the full story about.

But this statement is true.

When I used to "Normally play" (Pre-W-Hat), there were people who would do the exact same things to me as they do to the group. Flame me because I have opposing views, neg rate me because of what was in my profile. Personally attack me and my buildings on the forums and in game when I had no connection to the thread or argument at hand.

WHile there ARE good people on both the forums and the game world, I find it's a fifty-fifty split between the two. So, are most people in this game huge fags? The answer is yes. Lets look at the MAJORITY of SL players (This may not mean you!)

The majority of users in second life seem to think the "Y" and "O" keys disappear while typing the word "you". They seem to think that SL is less of a creative tool, and more of a place for people to live out their wildest sexual fantasies. They seem to think anyone who DOESN'T hang out in a club and have Avatar Sex is a looser or a nerd. They seem to think that a large view of pixels, verticies and polygons is worth preserving by griefing others ( I had this happen, my 4 story building in one of the newer sims about 4 months ago had trees put around it, and a large wooden block constructed at the entrance without any previous contact from the surrounding land owners. Apparently they didn't like my building).

There are also huge (edited) right in this thread! David Valentino for starting a flame war in a thread ment to explain to people how we functioned and try to calm the tension. Ben howeverthefuckyouspellhislastname for responding to the flames and fueling it (Sorry ben, that was a fucking stupid move). Countless others from previous threads (Hiro pendragon, Devlin) who seem to think W-Hat is the anti-christ and must be ridiculed at every turn.

So as you can see, yes. Second life is made up of mostly huge (edited) who only wish to incite flame wars, belittle others for their own personal amusement, and throw a tantrum when something doesn't go their way.

I hope that answers your question.

yes it sure does.

you will criticize people for omitting the *Y* and *O* keys as if it's some sort of an indication that they are *(edited)*, yet your own members use shorthand too, like *tl; dr*. you have proven nothing except that you don't hold yourselves to the same standards you hold everyone else to, and that your vocabulary, when faced with things you dont like, devolves to calling people *fags*, and encourage such views for new members.

tl;dr is a joke, look comedy up in the dictionary