SL Fines For Violaion of SL Big Six Community Standards

Yes we should all make the same wages, the government should be anarchy, there should be no rules or fines or punishment for crimes. There should be no economy, there should be no rich or poor, no one should get rewarded more for their hard work than the lazy guy who makes nothing.........NOT

Hiro hehe *hugs* you are so goofy dont let this idea or any posts here make you grumpy cause you crack me up! *hugs* we dont always agree but your still good peeps

I give up.

You're just acting absurd now.

d'awwww

thanks, I needed that.

the only reason to impose fines is to help balance the economy and also to DISCOURAGE people form breaking the big 6. Yes, rich players can pay the fines easier. However they will still be just as effected by getting banned or suspended. Not all rich players started out that way either. So if they would have gotten fined early on for unappropriate action, it is likely that it would discourage them from comitting more later on down the line. When i was a child, i learned in school that breaking the law was bad. Because i learned that early in life, now part of my deceision making process is governed by whether or not my actions would break the law. If an imposed fine is based on a percentage of a person's net worth, a rich person would havejust as much to lose as a poor person. Besides, to re-itterate, fines are only there to detour people from mis-behaivng and also to help balance the economy. In my opinion, Jenna and Obunnywan, have a good idea, and I don't understand why you are so hung up on the rich. The "poor" in sl, are just as important as the "rich". Without one you cannot have the other. =)

Ok... I think I read everything now... o.O....I think that this thread was a good idea...I agree completely.... People get banned over and over....and....thats all they can do...That IS set in place... But think about it....People in this game , most of the time , get banned and can come back , money and all....What do you think would enforce people not greifing as much.....Their money...People aren't going to want to actually PAY for their mistakes , hence , it will calm down in the greifing you'd think. People that get banned and come back with the same outlook , will do it again. But , you refuse to let them win , and give them a consequence....the game changes.



Hiro......I know you agree we should just stick with banning....Do you honestly think that after someone is banned , they will come back and be like "Ok! I'll be good now"....Most of the time , no. They come back worse.

Most of the people I've seen who were serious issues didn't care about neg ratings, let alone L$. I get the feeling people who actually would respond to such aren't so much a serious problem. Serious problems exist from people who just do not care, more often than not.

I'm not exactly sure what waving such a stick around would accomplish. I think the people who have a chance of responding to corrective action will have gotten the message pretty directly when they're suspended. Adding insult to injury, especially one which doesn't impact a number of people in the game, just isn't going to make things go any smoother over the current rules being consistantly enforced.

There's no real way to fairly compromise on how the fine is applied to compensate for richer users vs. poorer that doesn't result in burning the rich to ashes or digging a giant debt hole on the poor, thus making neither likely to return or attempt to rebuild -- which completely tosses the idea of 'rehabilitation' or restitution out the window if they're not going to stick around. Whereas before they may have given it a shot and in the unlikeliest of unlikelies... succeeded.

So far as creating another money sink.. Eh, I think LL is capable of controlling all sorts of things that could play an impact on the value of the L$. In the cases of the apathetic griefer listed above, does anyone actually think they go around windowshopping and infusing the world with cash between finding people to annoy?

Maybe I'm completely wrong. Someone tell me I am. I look forward to it.

According to Robin Linden, the economy is in good shape and the recent patch was to do the minor course correction. So no additional balance needed.


Just because something discourages a crime doesn't mean it's a good idea.

We could execute people for every crime, and claim it's to discourage all crime, but the fact that it's a completely dispreportioned punishment makes it a bad idea. You cannot stand on deterrence alone - you have to show that the deterrence is done fairly. Law without fairness is not justice.


Which we have already. So how does this affect adding fines? It doesn't.


No, just the opposite. When they become rich, they realize that they can afford the fines then and it's not a discouraging factor. Not unless the fines are scaled according to a person's income.


Again, this is already in place with the suspension and banning system. You're point is moot, and has nothing to do with adding fines.


Okay, this is an entirely different point. I personally think that this is worth discussing at least.


Okay, I think this was how they justified slavery, too. Let me get this straight... "You need poor people so that others can be rich?"

Ah, no.

Same goes with money. By your logic, people will come back and be pissed that they were fined. Again, no added value by adding fines.

Banning is permanent, by the way. I think you meant "suspension".

*nods nods nods nods*

i would tell that your wrong but i wouldn't know where to begin and frankly i just dont have time. Please feel free to actually read and comprehend the previous posts from several diferent view points. Then feel free, if your able, to generate a fluid and lucid thought concerning the afore mentioned issues. Just for future reference i would suggest writing your posts in MS Word and then using the spell and grammar checker, it wiil make you post clearer and more to the point.

So what you're really saying is you have nothing to say, but you want to attack something irrelevant just so you can keep feeling on top. Okay, that's excellent. <3

Meh. It's really not, Hiro. Technically, yes. But the same people come back over and over again with new accounts to do the same thing. Who really cares if a free trial account or even a 9.95 account is permabanned?

If I were permabanned I could be back in tomorrow with a new IP, new email address, new credit card and nothing to connect me to this or any other account.

Suspension , yes. But if someone gets banned , there ARE ways of coming back. It takes more then one try to get banned , unless its completely god awful.....With the fine in place. Someone would get fined before they got banned if I am understanding correctly. If i'm not , then i'm sure someone will correct me ^.^. Anyway. Hiro , we can agree to disagree. From reading , your mind is made up , and I'm not going to try to change your mind.

But Everyone has the right to post their opinions on this thread, so whats the use of fighting about it? Some people aren't , and don't have the same opinion as you. Which is how things go sometimes , there is always one or more person(s) who does not agree.

I was already thinking along those lines when I wrote my initial post in what's destined to be a waste of time at trying to be serious around here. You could try to fine by a percentage, however that doesn't actually scale due to the ammount of time it'd take for the person to recover from such a hit in a number of cases. This would bring up the issue of minimums, maximum caps, digging people into debt, etc. It's a big mess over something I consider to have little gain.

Wow.

You sure you want to insult my clarity and grammar in my writing, now, do you?

ROFL GIVE ME A MOMENT TO FILTER THIS



x.x MEH MEH MEH MEH! Just because something discourages a crime doesn't mean its a good idea... read that over and over you start to laugh!

you need poor so that others can be rich hmmm lets think if all were rich or poor how would you know?? read that over and over again and your ribs start to hurt. *pokes Hiro* you goober MEH to you *hugs*

True, Kris. But if people had money from their banned accounts stripped, this won't make a difference, will it?

i am now doubting whether or not the forums are a good idea. To quote a cliche' : Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the special olympics, even if you win your still RETARDED. Have a nice day, I'll be going now, this a complete waste of time trying to verbally out manuvuer people that truely have not comprehention of reality.

All you would have needed to do to make this a complete and utter failure on your part is tack on the overused image of that exact caption before turning your tail and running. Instead, it's simply a failure.

OMG! I knew you were that noob that came to my Island last night that I had to eject and ban.... GAH!!! If you wanted sex you should have just asked!! Not bugged us all and stopped Josh building his working swing set!!!

BTW try the swing set!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEE! just type faster!

heh, you're right


Of course, relatively, yes.

But for instance, in the US almost everyone is basically rich compared to a lot of the world. That's one big reason the US has an immigration problem. Yet, when you compare people in the US, there are rich and poor.

I suppose the comparison, in the case of fines, would be rich vs. the fine. So, if the fine is 100L, and most people in SL have 100,000L, then the fine's a bit irrelevent to most people in SL.


Have a good one!

I think if I were going to grief with a view to getting banned, I'd distribute my money to my non griefing alts or cash out, wouldnt I? (Yes, I know I'm giving griefers a lot of credit for their intelligence here )

Ah, but then Linden Lab can trace the money flow.

Rule #1 for criminals - don't leave evidence that links you.

As for cashing out... 500L won't even buy one share in GOM

But you have a point - perhaps as a precaution, LL should wipe L$ of perma-banned accounts, and freeze assets on suspended accounts.

Okay Hiro take a moment and read this thread dont shoot it down but see what areas are good if any and what areas need work and give me feedback Think compromise

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