Ideas To Help Find A Balance In SL Proposed Changes

Sponsoring Events:
Enforce a Rating system for events: Have a guideline for the different rating an event will be for when a person posts. They must read what is considered a PG-Mature-Explicit rated event and if they request support they will know that the lower the rating for that event the more support they get. So if someone posts an event that falls under Mature-XXX then they wont get as much as one under PG or Mature this will help people try to keep their event rated lower.
PG, Mature, Explicit
*Prize added if any is given*

PG-Educational: Support 250L Prize 500L
PG-Social: Support 250L Prize 300L

Mature-Educational: Support 250L Prize 300L
Mature-Social: Support 150L Prize 200L

Explicit-Eduational: Support 100L Prize 200L
Explicit-Social: Support 50L Prize: 100L

another idea here too

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I personally never saw how 500L really made the difference for any event. Considering 500L is essentialyl $2US, my time on an event is far, far more valuable than a mere 500L.

As far as I understand, LL put these bonuses in place a long time ago when people weren't holding many events. Now that there are tons, LL is scaling back. I personally thought this patch modification was right on, because it's restricted to mentor / instructor events.

I'm also surprised that no one charges admission for events. Even if it was 25L a person, which I think is a reasonable amount, an average dance party of 50 people would generate 1250L, more than double the 500L bonus.

I also never understood why there was no charge to attend events. Speaking for myself if a club is hosting an event that i want to attend and expect to enjoy i dont mind paying a door fee. Only thing i ask is when my game crashes at some point during the event, and im sure it will, dont make me pay again to get back in. Most people focus on the club events but there are many other events hosted that i would gladly pay to attend. Fashion shows, art showings. You name it and i bet someone is willing to pay to attend. But we wont know unless we try it.

I'm sorry, find "balance"? This is balance.

well then a compromise or option or alternative or thought or idea or Meh!

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You rejected Jenna's other idea because it was "Unfair to the poor people."

And what is this? You're all for taking away the poor peoples income? I smell a double standard.

500L might not be much to you, but to the new player who wants to pay his sl rent or buy an SL thong that 500L can go a long way. To look at 500L for events as USD just shows how you look at the game.

Ahhhh Hiro. From what i'm reading...You've never seen the game from a person without money , or able to have a skill that can make a profit? Maybe you have in the beginning , but there are people who would do anything to make just 200L if not 500L There are also people who are not willing to spend their RL moneys on this game. So you may be willing to spend 2$ for 500L , where as other people wouldn't think of doing it. It seems as if your really looking at this from , just your point of veiw , and not others. In the last thread , you were thinking about how the poorer people in the game would be able to deal....and now....it seems as if it doesn't matter. I've been in this game since June , and just now am finding a way that I can start making a profit. Some people don't learn as fast. Some people don't learn at all. Some come in the game , determind to find something that they can do , and don't find the skill right off hand , but eventually can. Someone without a skill , can't make anything.Therefore , if they found that hosting events was their thing , thats a skill , and a way of making a profit aswell. o.o...Correct me if i'm wrong? I'm sure you will

We already have a compromise. LL could have just as easily removed ratings bonuses altogether.



Ah, but the funny thing is, once these economic changes filter through a newbie won't NEED L$500 to pay rent or buy a thong.

L$500 to rent a thong? What's it made of, diamond encrusted platinum?

*does the inflation dance*

I would like to offer some advice. You should take the time to properly format and spell your posts. Your ideas are much more likely to be taken seriously if they are legible and easily understandable. Let me give you an example, the quoted post reformatted:



Just with formatting changes your post gains some credibility. Now lets see a version that has been edited for grammar and spelling:



Now this post is a bit more understandable. It also shows some thought on the part of the writer.

Take a few minutes to write your thought out in a word processor program before you post directly to the forums. Not only is the final result cleaner, but your point will be brought home more forcefully.

I am not insulting you or correcting you in a malicious way. This advice goes out to a great many people who post to these forums.

Now, as to the content of your post, let me provide some feedback.

Second Life is not a game in the same way that the World Wide Web is not a game. There are game like aspects, but in both action and in payment method it would be better described as “hosting”. You can create a game on a website, such as popcap.com, but the server where that page is located is not a game. It is a place to store content.

People can create games in Second Life, but they pay Linden Lab a monthly fee to host their content. This monthly fee is paid in real world money. This fee is in fact much higher than most people would pay to store a similar amount of data on a web server.

When people pay for server hosting, many do it with the expectation that it will at least pay for itself, or even profit. Many people who use Second Life do so with the same expectation. People would like the content they create to be interesting or helpful or fun enough to pay for the monthly fees required to host it. If it doesn’t pay for itself then it is likely at some point to be removed.

At another level Second Life is a communications tool. Users can create almost free accounts that allow them to socialize, or even create non-persistent content with no monthly fees.

Many of these users are purely consumers, as was the intention when that account level was created. A built in market for content creators to fund the higher tier levels imposed after the 1.2 software upgrade.

If a person claims they don’t have a skill, and are unwilling to pay people who do have a product they desire in real world money to make it for them, there is no pressure for them to do so. Anyone can use this tool without ever spending a single Linden dollar. Anyone can use this tool as long as they pay the $9.95 one-time fee. You can equate this to people who browse the web.

If you wish to acquire something that another user has created you should expect to pay for it. You can do this one of several ways:

1. Pay real world money for it.
2. Save the free money you receive from Linden Lab until you can pay.
3. Become a content creator, sell your items, and use the proceeds to pay.

You are correct that events are content. Events are one of the most popular forms of content users consume in Second Life. Just like all other content, the consumers of events should subsidize them. The hosting company should not subsidize events.

I wish you good luck in your ventures.

For many people in the forums English is not their first language. Just as you stated reasons for not taking peoples posts seriously due to format, grammar, and spelling....being condescending towards someone usually gains the same result.

As stated I am not being insulting or condescending, rather attempting to help them get their point across more clearly, even if I don't agree with it.

Editoral ,
Thank you for the english lesson. Though I don't belive I asked for one. If it was so misunderstandable that you could not read what I was posting , you wouldn't have responded. When I want to say something , I do , and don't go as far as to think "Omg , someone is going to correct every little mistake I made." But if that is what you choose to do with your time, go ahead.

ooo free spell and grammar checker remind me to post my thesis this term. muahahahah erm did I spell muahahah right? is it h after a except after m? x.x

Aside from the grammar lesson, I think Editorial's post should be stickied at the top of this forum.

I guess each place will try different things to recoup costs for hosting events. The issue I have is that we do not now have an efficient way (a vendor so to speak) for selling events. The club I work at is group owned. If someone pays to go to the event, they pay the group and not the events host. It is an unworkable system for us. Therefore I am going to try tonight to ask for money in exchange for a program. The making of a program adds about 2 hours to the time I will spend on each event (especially if i am adding and deleting advertisers ads from the program).

I never translate my in game earnings to out of game earnings or it would be too depressing. *giggles* but the real issue for me is a moral one. Why should content creation in the form of events be an unpaid job? It shouldn't. So therefore, we need a way to pay events hosts. I hope that the voluntary system will work well enough to keep us going until we can secure funding through advertisement etc. But this is also an issue: setting up a vending machine is not so hard. One time thing. Getting advertisers and customers at events is a continual process requiring great time and energy. Just like great builders, great events hosts put tremendous effort into the things they do.

Will you come to club erotica tonight and pay $20 at the door to watch some actor improv in the theatre? Would you be more likely if it were a $10 charge and no cash prizes given out? We are in the rough choppy seas of experimentation now, so we shall see what happens. If, however, in a few months I find I am spending all my social time to try to hustle up the $250 i used to get for 5 hours of my work to make a great event, then I am gonna give up on it and just come to SL to chat with the people I could just as easily chat with on Yahoo. When that time comes, I certainly won't need a premium account (let alone 2).

If you are interested in sponsoring a program ad, please contact Cherry Took in game.

lol, I love seeing people spend a page to correct someone on a forum. spelling. and. grammmer. are over rated. As Loong As Your PoinT iS madE cleeaR iT neveR mattterS.

I have a mixed view on this issue I suppose. I understand any players need for L$, and the desire to have your land pay for itself or turn a profit is universal. When all I see is sexiest AV contest down the event listing its becomming an ominous epidemic. If every club is the same and no new events are ever being offered what really is being added to the SL community? As time has passed I have noticed less and less educational events and more and more rate fest. It has become a bunch of noobs looking for a quick lag creating buck. (no offence I was once there) clubs need to charge admission like RL events and that alone will cover the lack of support. Supply vendor booths or sell something- there are plenty of ways to create cash. New players can always post their skills on the forum and look for a group to help or someone who need independent labor, there are other ways besides 100 cloned clubs to play.


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