SL Fines For Violaion of SL Big Six Community Standards

Ya know, I REALLY hope that with no other evidence than a L$ transaction, even if amounting to all or most of someone's account, that they don't just assume it's an alt! Fortunately, I doubt LL can afford to be quite that suspicious

And as for evidence... how DOES LL determine what an alt is? My credit cards have paid for 6 or 7 SL accounts. They're not mine, though! Are they all assumed to be 'my alts?'. Will SL take action against me if one of those is banned, just because it's my credit card? If so, I'm really really sorry I ever introduced anyone to Second Life at all.

Sure, I dont THINK any of my friends would do anything bad, but I can't be responsible for their actions, either.

It's also frustrating when other people that use the same IP can't get a trial account, or will get banned along with the miscreant, purely by association.

The situation is very confused from both sides, and I'm not sure what the answer is to be hard on griefers without being unfair to certain situations of perfectly legitimate players. But then if there was a definitive answer, I guess LL would be doing that

I gotta agree with Kris here, I had a friend on SL, whose brother got banned, therefore his IP got banned, meaning that the good sibling *snigger* couldn't get back into SL!

Now, I had just lent him rather alot of dance poles, and other furniture as well as lending him a shedload of money, so he could start up his own business, so, not only is my friend unable to log into SL, cos of his brothers actions, I have also lost alot of goods and cash...

Banning IP'S is wrong, plain and simple, I don't like griefers as much as the next person, but its unfair on those using the same IP!

Wow, Kris, some excellent points.


True. Clues are meant to be leads, and seldom are clues proof in themself.


*thinks*
I personally believe that if you are paying for something, you should have some modicum of responsibility for that account, regardless of who plays it.


I can actually see the logic in that - being that the PC is not secure and account passwords can be saved. I remember a similar case in EQ - quite a clusterf*** case, but a person was griefing on his roommate's account.


For sure. That's the wise of you.

We all want to stop griefers, but in our search to solve problems, we must not, in haste, make new ones.

Hiro, there are places IRL where fines are based on income percentage. We could do the same. I dont think LL wants the added overhead though. I doubt that you could ever get a new feature in that would give them more work.

True, and what Belaya said - you'd have to find out how much to fine. -- That'd be a chore in and of itself - for instance, a person like me has good income, but GOMs money, so I keep a low balance. Land barons keep a lot of money sunk into land that they own, etc - there's no easy way to come up with that. Not even pure income would be accurate, since they could be buying GOM moneys - and now you wander into the dangerous region of literally fining RL$ - which LL has no authority to do.

I have read over everyone's posts, and all of you make very valid points! I do believe that while the finer points of how these fines are valued, and dispensed as punishment, it can be a further deterrent.

Awesome idea! I can just see it now... Griefer Newbie with a linden cabin on their head that has a script that we can all touch to make their AV do silly things. I love it Chip.

LOL
I haven't seen a newbie-cabin hairpiece in ages... And they used to be the height of fashion in Ahern and Dore.

Just remember, you were once a "Newbie"

OMG!! You touched Jenna's Box. You Nasty ....


hehehehe

See my post elsethread...

According to the "chart", I still am. I figure that everyday I learn something new, I'm a newbie.

CONSISTENCY! That is my idea. Whether they pay 9.95 or 200. a month, If a Person has given proof to the lindens that a person brags they have crashed other SIMS to raise their FPS on their SIM then the Lindens should do to them just as the would someone who has ccrashed a SIM that doesnt also own a sim or two.

Changing your IP is easier than picking up a PIE

After reading all this I would like to say a few comments.

First , this would not help the economy, the crime would not diminish either.

Are you aware of the amount of work that this would cause to linden labs? My god they barely have time to tell us what’s going on and you want them to sit there and decide how many lindens to charge a Griefer?.

This project would mean a waste of resources, it would empower the rich and damage the poor... why? Let me tell you why.

I’ll open a new thread and let other people say how many times they have been banned for no reason... even though SL claims to examine every case individually we all know that is not quite true, nor possible with the amount of work they have and their limited human resources.

So what do you get?

You’ll give more work to the lindens.
The lindens will not be able to handle all those inquiries and will judge unequally.
You will not only have people banned for no reason, but also fined for no reason!!
The rich will be happy,
The poor won’t.

I also disagree that the lindens can fine you based on their TOS... I would love to see them fine me via my credit card. Im sure I would be able to sue them for more than the 8 million that ebay gave them...

I also think it’s pathetic that HARD CASE can come here as a “guest” and support the idea. Just look at the posts and you’ll be able to determine who really posted those messages.

Some people also say that the rich have more to loose… well if you are poor, and fined for no reason, do you have more or less to loose than the rich that can pay the fine and keep playing.

In any case, even if it was true the rich have more to loose it will only support the idea that this fine system is unfair, uneven and way to far from Justice.

As a summary. I think the poll talks for itself.