Chinese woman in Germany earning six figure salary speculating on SL real estate?

Kim,

Please do me the courtesy of spelling my name correctly if you are going to call me out on something. I did not start this thread, write the Red Herring article, nor did I point out Anshe's ethnicity. On many, many occasions, she herself points out her Chinese heritage, and has also spoken of Germany...she closely identifies herself with her heritage. I could care less where she is from. As far as the "business girl" thing, since now you are mixing metaphors for some reason, it is an oft used phrase of hers, dating back to when she was an escort in SL. It is quite ridiculous for a grown woman to run around calling herself a girl, just as much as it would be for me or any other adult male to run around calling myself "business boy". I am not sure what your point was in including me in your post, but at least attribute the correct things to someone.

Lo Jacobs said it best in another thread, and I'm paraphrasing what I remember: Certain kinds of behavior or language call up images of "Suki the Masseuse" and old, fat, cigar-smoking British businessmen sitting around on wicker chairs with towels across their laps.

It's not worth getting upset over, but it does cause persons of the persuasion to wince a little.

Right. So now the question become who promotes it, and why.

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Which I don't like and don't use. And I don't know how many residents of the USA would like to be called that. But it's not only a term like this which is insulting sometimes. If you repeatedly talk about someone always mentioning his nationality or ethnicity that alone constitutes a form of racism or chauvinism. In the German newspapers for example, when a criminal is caught or convicted, and that criminal is from eastern europe, from russia, from afrika etc. his or her origin is always mentioned. The newspapers never talk about 'the german mugger'. Even more interesting, they usually don't mention the nationality in the headline if the criminal is from another country but from middle europe or northern europe. I don't think thats just by accident ...

This has got nothing to do with the fact that this someone is secretive with his origins. Its how you use the information and why you think it 'important' enough to always mention it. I talk openly about my being of German nationality. I don't see any reason to hide that. If I would be always named 'that German woman' in an accusing or envious context, I would ask myself what my nationality has got to do with what I do or how my behaviour is judged ...

Cristiano,
I am honestly sorry that I mispelled your name. Will never happen again; promised! I did not intend any disrespect and I usually try to be as courtious as my limited skills with the English language allow.

Cristiano, you and others posted a lot of speculative, accusatory remarks on Anshe, her way of conducting business, her past, her language skills (or her 'acting' ...) etc. in this and other threads. In other threads there were strong personal insults against her. I do not know why you hate Anshe so much. Obviously there will be a reason for this. I am not to judge this. All I said is that it makes me sad, to see that much hatred in the public forums and that a lot of the remarks against Anshe seem to contain at least some mild form of racism or chauvinism.

Maybe it was not right that I singled out you and Blaze. Some others seem to hate or envy Anshe just as much. I apollogize for that. It's a little bit tedious, though, to compile a complete list

And ... you may call me 'Cim', 'Khim' or 'Kimme' as a kind of retribution.

you kiddin' me? What about the New York Yankees?

I have zero issue with being called a Yank. None. I do, however take exception to nationalistic pokes. Yank is not one I take issue with. I wanna be a Yank. We earned it.

Ok, you Yank!

It's just ... a lot of my fellow countrymen like to talk about 'Yankees' or 'Cowboys' when they disaggree with some decisions of the current US administration. I tend to disaggree with that decisions sometimes too. No reason to fall back into prejudices and chauvinism; though.

It is my understanding however from reading here and elsewhere that Anshe Chung pitches herself as the "little Chinese business girl", and therefore includes this and promotes it as her public image therefore the reporter doing the story probably did her a favor. I mean she seems to pitch herself as that, so how is it racist if people refer to her by how she seems to want to be referred to? I guess it could be said she can refer to herself as that, but other people shouldn’t as it is tacky. But she seems to include it as a big part of her persona. Of course some of you seem to be addressing the broader issue of reporters using nationality and ethnicity in headlines, but I doubt it is an affront to Anshe Chung personally.

"It is quite ridiculous for a grown woman to run around calling herself a girl, just as much as it would be for me or any other adult male to run around calling myself 'business boy'."

Oh please. There are grown men running around this site calling themselves girls, and if you commented similarly on that you'd have your ass kicked all over the forums. This place is full of people who call themselves kitties, vampires, high rollers, and Jedi knights, and you're hung up on someone calling herself a girl? I'll be sure to tell all my girlfriends, next time we get together for some girl talk, that we better not call ourselves girls anymore, or else some overserious adult male will be so upset that he'll post on a forum on the Internet.

Kim

1. We're not supposed to name names in these forums.

2. Part of the interesting thing about the original article was that it was phrased that way by the reporter and possibly Philip.

So, you probably want to lay off this line of attack.

Actually, what I am "hung up on" from your little flame is the use of the "oh I am just one business girl" act where she switches to the demure female role just to deflect criticism for her behavior. It is well documented by many people - she has perfected it to an art form at this point - and added some "We are the World" rhetoric to it, as Eboni Khan so eloquently put it. My post was in response to Kim Charlton claiming it was some how chauvinistic to refer to her as girl, among other things, when Anshe promotes that image ad nauseum.

Actually, what I am "hung up on" from your little flame is the use of the "oh I am just one business girl" act where she switches to the demure female role just to deflect criticism for her behavior. It is well documented by many people - she has perfected it to an art form at this point - and added some "We are the World" rhetoric to it, as Eboni Khan so eloquently put it. My post was in response to Kim Charlton claiming it was some how chauvinistic to refer to her as girl, among other things, when Anshe promotes that image ad nauseum.

There's not much you can do about it. The person you're speaking about carefully tries to keep the act within certain boundaries. Some, like you, point it out. But because it's borderline, others can fall for it.

Because of that, and because of the person's position in the "community," when you press hard enough, others ridicule your argument and marginalize you by claiming that you're "jealous" or you "hate" the person. The more you press, the worse you are made to look. Finally, if you press too hard, your behavior ends up looking worse than hers, even to people who see your point of view.

I'm not criticizing anyone. Just pointing out what is probably obvious to a few people.

I didn't post about Anshe. Again, you said, "It is quite ridiculous for a grown woman to run around calling herself a girl . . ." If you want to flame Anshe and the forum moderators let you, fine. However, when you get yourself a bit too worked up and spout an insulting judgmental generalization that applies to readers besides your target and someone calls you on it, it's really unbecoming and condescending of you to just use it as the opportunity to renew attacks on your target in order to distract from criticism of your own behavior. Either that, or your point is that it's okay to shoot bystanders when the intended target is Anshe.

Kim,

You are quite right - I meant it only targetted at Anshe, and in the heat of posting I left off part of what I wanted to say and did not mean to make such a broad statement. I apologize.

I concur 100%.

Those with the "hang-ups", are those who refuse to acknowledge that Anshe markets herself in this fashion, and, as a result, invites others to employ the same terminology (in reference to Anshe) and exempts said respondants from charges of sexism or etnocentrism, unless they reach beyond the scope of Anshe's self-projected image.

Thanks for posting that, Cristiano, and for IMing me. I apologize, too, for not being more dignified in my response. It was good IMing with you, and I hope we chat again soon.

I'm just waiting for Anshe to say, "All your base are belong to us"

Oh! Wait! That's not Anshe!

Agreed. I must say that I don't feel that the intent of the author of the article was to be racist. It's this hip global mindset that some people have that make it cool to write things like "Chinese woman in Germany..." when they would not do the same thing for others (re. my comment about my being a "Finnish man in America." That just doesn't sound hip for this crowd.

Anway, my axe has always been the hypocrisy -- which is why I beat up a little on some in here who want to give a pass to their buddies, regardless of what they write, while slamming others for doing the same things.