Chinese woman in Germany earning six figure salary speculating on SL real estate?
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Merwan Marker
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03-16-2005 12:06
From: blaze Spinnaker
--- It is possible that Alts are involved (are two alts allowed to bid against each in the auctions? Hmm... that would be bad news)
I guess I can't believe it's all just because of land speculation. I can see making 100K per year total on everything, I guess.
After all, there is also SIM trading as well. buying and selling full sims when people want to dump the ones they own. --- So we have a total of 7-11K per month being made. I suppose I can believe it. Still, there is a lot of risk if this baby goes under! I'm just wonering why Phil 'outed' her like this..
Also blaze, auction sniping (knowledging conspiring with a 2nd party to increase bids) is against Calif. law. And I believe she does not work in SL alone, that she has others who work for her enterprises.
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03-16-2005 12:17
anshe thread #4,862
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katykiwi Moonflower
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03-16-2005 12:57
From: Buster Peel Ya, but them's Linden Dollars. She is not rich yet. No I dont think thats in Linden...I think thats the real deal. Last I looked at her net worth on leaders and did the math, she had the equivalent of more than 40K in real moolah. That was just one of her accounts! 
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03-16-2005 13:01
From: Beryl Greenacre Okay, was anybody besides me thinking of the resemblance between these two (see picture below)? Maybe I'm hallucinating, I dunno.  WOW! It is an incredible resemblance!
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Pirate Cotton
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03-16-2005 17:16
Chances are the journo listened wrong.
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Lance LeFay
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03-16-2005 17:25
From: Beryl Greenacre Okay, was anybody besides me thinking of the resemblance between these two (see picture below)? Maybe I'm hallucinating, I dunno.  Holy. Shit.
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Risa Edo
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03-16-2005 22:15
I knew that Anshe lived in Germany from other posts, but is she really Chinese, or did they just get that idea from her avatar name? 
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Buster Peel
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03-16-2005 22:45
I resemble the wookie.
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Kim Charlton
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03-16-2005 22:59
Even after reading (ok, browsing) the whole thread, I really fail the see the point besides a little Anshe-Watching. To the outside world it may be somewhat fascinating that someone earns a significant amount inworld at all. But to SLers? SL is an economy. See http://mypage.iu.edu/%7Ecastro/home.html, which may be somewhat euphoric, but has a point. And, whats so astonishing with someone, who is resourceful, intelligent, willstrong and energetic, who additionally is working very hard, earning "six figures a year" - even though I don't know if she actually is in that ballpark already? If someone like her would put her ressources in a RL company she would not earn less, maybe even more. And I fail to see, why it is important that she lives in germany (a lot people do, including me  ) or is of chinese origin (even more people are; LOL).
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Nolan Nash
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03-17-2005 03:17
From: Einsman Schlegel I think its funny how people speculate how much money people are making. Or not making I should say. Whether yes it is possible for people to make real money off of $L. There is always a catch. There has to be a buyer for them.
Its a risk anyone takes in this business. Ever been in RL?  I am teasing a bit of course... but, it's human nature. Want evidence? Turn on your television.
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Nolan Nash
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03-17-2005 03:32
From: Kim Charlton Even after reading (ok, browsing) the whole thread, I really fail the see the point besides a little Anshe-Watching. To the outside world it may be somewhat fascinating that someone earns a significant amount inworld at all. But to SLers? SL is an economy. See http://mypage.iu.edu/%7Ecastro/home.html, which may be somewhat euphoric, but has a point. And, whats so astonishing with someone, who is resourceful, intelligent, willstrong and energetic, who additionally is working very hard, earning "six figures a year" - even though I don't know if she actually is in that ballpark already? If someone like her would put her ressources in a RL company she would not earn less, maybe even more. And I fail to see, why it is important that she lives in germany (a lot people do, including me  ) or is of chinese origin (even more people are; LOL). She has publically stated these facts on multiple occasions, so I don't think it's such a bad thing to bring them up. She has elaborated about her private life quite a bit in the public (SL) eye. She has informed us that she is supporting her family in China (via SL), lives in Germany, and about her dead uncle... So, perhaps you should read some forum history and/or ask Anshe why real life factors are important.
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blaze Spinnaker
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03-17-2005 03:33
It's astonishing because my analysis doesn't reveal that type of revenue for land speculation alone.
I'm still doubtful, but yes, I certainly earn money in ways that everyone finds astonishing when I tell them how much, so I certainly can't prove it's wrong. I just don't see where the #s would be coming from.
My guess, if it is true, this chinese woman has to have her finger in a lot of SL pies.
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03-17-2005 05:15
From: Nolan Nash She has publically stated these facts on multiple occasions, so I don't think it's such a bad thing to bring them up.
She has elaborated about her private life quite a bit in the public (SL) eye. She has informed us that she is supporting her family in China (via SL), lives in Germany, and about her dead uncle... So, perhaps you should read some forum history and/or ask Anshe why real life factors are important. Nolan, I did not want to imply, that these facts are secret or the publishing if them was a breach of privacy. I did not say (or want to imply) that 'it's such a bad thing to bring them up'. All I did was asking the - admittedly rethoric - question 'why it is important that she lives in germany or is of chinese origin'? Maybe this kind of information is available for you too. But ... I doubt that anyone would post something like 'Whow, did you know that Nolan lives in Chicago? Is it true, that he is a really pale caucasian guy?' 
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blaze Spinnaker
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03-17-2005 05:25
I was merely quoting the article. Who knows, maybe this isn't even about Anshe.
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Buster Peel
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03-17-2005 07:13
From: Kim Charlton All I did was asking the - admittedly rethoric - question 'why it is important that she lives in germany or is of chinese origin'? Idle gossip doesn't have to be important. So you think maybe there's another SL player who lives in Germany and is of Chinese origin and makes RL six figures playing SL? (I know, who cares. But if you are going to gossip without naming names, you have to use something to identify your target, right?)
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blaze Spinnaker
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03-17-2005 07:18
If that was directed at me, sorry, I guess it was just an example of my dry wit.
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Torley Linden
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03-17-2005 07:23
I do think unusual circumstances, unique people are going to get brought up... note the focus of that article on Wilde Cunningham, an extraordinary real-life story unfolding in Second Life... I'm not going to split hairs but there were a few other inaccuracies in that article, as positive as parts of it were. "No dragons to slay" being one of them, the limiting and archaic description of "a video game" being another (which comes with disconcerting juxtaposition to Wilde's experiences -- more than a "game"  . (And my gosh, I've never heard Asperger's referred to as "extreme geek syndrome" before -- and I've even Googled for that! 0 hits.) Perhaps Anshe just wasn't brought up by name, but recollected anecdotally... 
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Jake Reitveld
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I dunno.
03-17-2005 11:50
I find it implausible that Anshe is making 6 figures in US$, after all there are a finite number of users on the system, and judging by players on at any given time, SL is not yet everquest. I don't think the resources exist to move or sell that much land, unless a hell of a lot of us are all linden millioniares spending a substantial amount of real world dollars on a game. Really I just don't think the raw resources availble make it sustainable. Even if Anshe sold every parcel of property in the game. But I don't know. I could be very wrong.
I mean for me getting rich in SL would take a heell of a lot more time and effort than I am willing to spend on any game. Particularly doing things in a game that resemble work in real life..it would be much easier to just buy and sell real properties and make real money than doing it here lol.
I applaud anshe for her hard work, and glad someone can do it. I play to get away from my job, so I'm happy with my 512 square metres and a jet board.
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Deklax Fairplay
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03-17-2005 11:52
"easier"? You obviously havent bought and sold virtual land, then. That article seemed a little sketchy, but hey - free publicity to bring in more of the money vultures that everyone loves so much. Edit P.S. I wonder if they were to post all of our account histories if we'd be so jovial about them openly releasing so much information about our #1 citizen. If whoever the article is speaking of wasnt consulted with before the publishing of that article I would have to wonder what other breaches of trust might be perpetrated next. We can only hope all of our transactions and personal information won't be posted for ridicule and speculation in the name of publicity. P.S.S. $5 from 20,000 players would require selling land to 55 newbies 365 days a year. Seems somewhat more plausible to me that any land sale would make at least 10-15 dollars, bringing it down to 18-28 newbies a day. Im not sure if this is achievable or not, but it most definitally is if you double the profit one more time 
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Eggy Lippmann
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03-17-2005 12:00
Making $100,000 a year playing SL means that you have a whole year to try and get $5 from each of its 20,000 players. It doesn't sound that hard when you factor in the amount of noobs coming and going all the time. People get here, buy their little plots for $2999, and disappear a month later... so their land goes back up for auction (meaning, back in anshe's hands) ready for another noob to come in and take care of it for another month. I have to ask myself what this whole process is adding to the SL experience.
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Lo Jacobs
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03-17-2005 12:12
From: Eggy Lippmann I have to ask myself what this whole process is adding to the SL experience. I dunno; it's kind of like how when newbies spawn in the Welcome Area and ask us, "So what exactly do y'all DO here?" We then mumble about how we build stuff and make clothes and make friends, and then quickly bleat, "But honestly, we LOVE it here!" You know how you have to have bad in order to know what good is? I believe that if Anshe wasn't there, somebody else would be. And if they weren't ... would SL be better? Would it be worse? Would it be *gasp* BORING? Careful, guys! Anshe's in your closet and she's going to get you.
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Nolan Nash
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03-17-2005 12:20
Being that this info was culled from a statement that Phillip made, and is available to the public, I don't see why anyone shouldn't talk about it.
Had it just come off the rumor mill, or through the telephone game, I could understand why some of you are being defensive on Anshe's behalf. If you want to blame someone, blame Phillip.
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Deklax Fairplay
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03-17-2005 12:25
From: Nolan Nash If you want to blame someone, blame Phillip. I do blame Phillip. Just because someone tells people inside SL something about themselves Phillip has the right to republish it in any way he sees fit? Supposively we are not allowed to reprint forum posts, etc ourselves because they are not open to the public, and ingame chats are even more heavily restricted. Where would this 'public' information have come from?
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blaze Spinnaker
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03-17-2005 12:26
It's quite possible (even likely) that Philip got permission first. Also, I'm pretty sure this isn't the first article to mention anshe and to describe her.
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Nolan Nash
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03-17-2005 12:35
From: Deklax Fairplay I do blame Phillip. Just because someone tells people inside SL something about themselves Phillip has the right to republish it in any way he sees fit? Supposively we are not allowed to reprint forum posts, etc ourselves because they are not open to the public, and ingame chats are even more heavily restricted. Where would this 'public' information have come from? From Anshe perhaps? I will say it again, Anshe has told us this same info within these forums on numerous occasions. Why do some then feel it should be taboo to speak of it here? Normally, I would be right there along side those saying that her ethnicity and country of residence has no place here, however, she has already disclosed this info to us, so where is the foul in talking about it within these forums? She obviously feels it pertinent or she wouldn't bring it up herself. I will say that if Phillip did not have permission to disclose that info (outside the SL Forums, which are not open to the public anymore), that he was wrong in doing so. As far as discussing it here, it's old news.
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