SL Hacked! Whodunnit?

A bit late on the reputation thing, isn't it?

I reported the post to Cris, but haven't seen him on those forums yet today. I know he has some policy about RL info being posted to the forums. One of the few things I think he will censor. Whether or not the info is accurate, it seems to be *someone's* RL info. So I'm sure he will delete it. But that is of course up to Cris.

Okay.. The reason I said it was lead by Plastic was because in the group find feature, Plastic Duck is the founder and there were no officers listed in the officer space. I should have specified Founder, not leader, since I don't know the power structure of the group. My bad. Also, I found only the W-hat Fan Club.. which may nor may not be the same group?

The rest was.. how shall I put this? Probably too subtle a hint to just let things lie until a Linden or a news paper tells us more? I mean, you know all this speculation could be BAD for any investigation that may be ongoing?

Why is a "newspaper" a better source of information than Jarhyn? Did he just ruin your immersion by giving you information you feel only that a fake newspaper could provide? Also, I'm pretty sure the investigation is for the most part over.

Plastic Duck *is* W-Hat.

The rest are just the accolytes (and a few sycophantic droolers).
I mean that's what I heard, but that's just a rumour I guess.

Well, I'm sorry if he offended your racial heritage with that conflicting quote.

Different group. And no, Plastic Duck *is not* W-Hat. He used to be a member, the end. If you heard something like we're all his fellatio entourage, you're sadly mistaken. Many of the members would take great pleasure in his misfortune at the moment.

It's not speculation. Speculation implies ambiguity and uncertainty. I know what I have said to be true, and therefore it is not speculation.

The W-Hat fan club is not the same group. W-Hat is simply W-Hat, and you won't find it in the listings because it isn't listed to prevent people from griefing us based on our reputation as caused by dumbarses like Plastic. You would do well coming to our plot and ASKING us what is going on instead of just sitting there speculating yourself.

Yes and a very wrong one. He's just a former random member.

Plastic is fucking stupid for being involved in this if he was, but he's not associated with W-Hat any more and we don't really give a shit about him. If you know people from w-hat personally, you know that we're just here to have fun playing SL. Some members of W-Hat have made people angry with their actions which gives us a bad rep.

It's sort of like when you get bad customer service at a store you tell a lot more people than if you had a good experience there. People in W-hat who break the rules get banned just like anyone else and the people left in the group are here to enjoy the game in their own way and abide by the rules. And just because you don't like what someone builds or like the same jokes as other people doesn't mean they are breaking the rules and trying to ruin the game they enjoy playing. I find that notion ridiculous.

Is this true? I am confused.

When I got greifed by W-Hat early on in my game, it was the ducks that were in charge when you looked up the group.

Plastic Duck, and the other Ducks were also the ones who actually showed up at my property to harrass me and stuff.
I saw them frequently.

W-Hat = The Ducks to me, but I suppose it could be different now.


Maybe if W-Hat is no longer full of griefers and has nothign to do with the Ducks they should change their name?
or disband?

Unless they enjoy the cache from being associated with the previous (more evil), incarnation.

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Red Buick

*edit* Whoops wrong thread

I'm not sure what group you're referencing, but nobody with the name Duck has -ever- been a W-Hat leader. I think he had something to do with a different group with a similar name, but that's the extent of it.

And why should we be forced to disband or change our name because some people decide to blame a group for the actions of an individual? That's utterly ridiculous.

The group predates that individual by a long way.

I think he may have formed a friends of X group - the actual group membership isn't listed in world.

Most members of w-hat are fine. There are wankers everywhere - including in w-hat.

Red (Beard's) Cutlass

http://www.sgtblades.com/images/product_images/swords/Red_beards_cutlass.jpg

I'm getting excited by all this logic, this thread almost sounds rational now.

As of now the situation is here. Don't try too hard to comprehend it, as it will be impossible to. Just accept that fact its there.

Well I dont want to be responsible for spreading false accustations so I will take your word on that. Apologies to all members of this (IMO) former griefer organisation. Its great that you are not now.

I did get griefed by W-Hat members however and Plastic appeared to be in charge when it happened or at least one of the first officers listed. Complaints on the forum at the time elicited denials from W-Hat members that they "grief", silence from any of the Ducks and a couple of "too bad, we dont care, and isnt it funny," kind of comments from other W-Hat members. You people are *so* sypathetic.

I've only been here three months, so if things are different now excuse me for not knowing that these people have changed their stripes. Today is the first time I have ever heard of W-Hat distancing themselves from the Ducks also.

Why not just change the name already?
Unless members of the "new" group enjoy the notioriety? Perhaps I am wrong, but the perception of this association between W-Hat and the Ducks and W-Hat and griefing is rampant.

Perhaps it's because they wre the first really nasty people I met in SL, I just dont feel kindly towards folks who insult my friends and drop bombs on my property etc. Grow up already.

Wow! I've met the "individual" in question before. Plastic frequented the WA alot. Never had any problems, however, some things make alot of sense....as far as associating a group with 1 individuals actions is idiotic. However, this group has made it a point to involve themselves in situations that will make them easy targets for such accusation. Suck it up W-hat. Your finally getting the attention you've been seeking!

MJ

Nope, not nLOLan.

But, with my tickle-feather machine, I will rule the world!!!!

Translation: We are a loose association of tricksters who enjoy the notoriety of the "bad" name, but dont co-ordinate (publicly) so that plausible denial can be used later. We are probably aware of the adventures of some of the wilder members, but we wont ever admit that to you. Besides, "it's more fun to watch the shit fly".

The last is a direct quote from a W-Hat member.
(taken out of context but presented here as an example of W-Hat terminology).

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I can accept that its just a subset of members of W-Hat that do all the griefing.

But:

I have ZERO sympathy for any discomfort W-Hat is feeling over this situation right now. They're speaking out against the Duck because the heat on this one is just too great to do otherwise.

It seems all too convienient to me. Every other time someone speaks out against a W-Hat griefing, all these "innocent" members come running to the griefer's aid, making the grief reporter look silly, and hijacking the thread till its locked.

They're getting everything they deserve right now.

Another example of using one person's actions (in this case, the 'member' you got that 'translation' from) as a brush to paint the whole group with. Simply untrue. If you're uncertain, I urge you to chat me up inworld or stop by Baku for clarification.

Also:


It's awesome that you think I deserve catching nonsense for a hacked client that was used by people who were ejected from the group once their crimes were discovered. Really.

(PS - I don't think you need help looking silly)

No, I just am wary and take things with a grain of salt, because of how much witchhunting this forum does as it is. I also don't take a full standpoint until I know more facts, which while Jarhyn did post some of the details, I'm going to still look at this from the stand point of a "he said, she said," sorta thing. I mean, is there any reason why I shouldn't?

I'd believe a newspaper of some repute not some "fake" paper, because it would be about a lawsuit, which would give us a better idea of what is what and what the Lindens are doing about it. Or I'd be more open to belief if a Linden said something, but given that this might actually wind up going to court, it's probably for the best they don't say anything. Not to mention that it would break their own rules to say anything about a punishment of a player, so we're likeliest to find out from a more tech/law sorced magazine or newspaper, than from a Linden. Think about that, will you?

Nothing against you personally, Jarhyn. I'm a skeptic of a lot of things, and while I don't feel you posted anything that cannot be considered truth, I will patiently wait (more likely forget about this) until I see the full outcome, but you did give me food for thought. I only posted what I knew and could easily find. You did fill in a lot of gaps, specially in divorcing PD from the W-hat.

Okay.. rethinking.

Roberta is cool and I respect her opinion a great deal.
If she says W-Hat is not so bad, then maybe they are not.

Genuine apologies then to those in W-Hat that are *not* involved in griefing, really.

As background, I have probably done more conceptual art than half the W-Hat members (just a guess but I have done a lot), and been involved in many RL performance art pieces, etc. I have known several RL performance artists, famous ones, good ones. So I "get" the W-Hat performance thing. It's not that.

Good performance art can be shocking when the intent is to shake folks up. But in general (mostly) you dont throw crap all over the audience or neg rate them when they dont like your stuff.

Every exploit I have heard of by any W-Hat members is childish and stupid, and (IMO again) worst of all, not good art.

Additionaly, like others have mentioned, no one in W-Hat has ever apologised to me or anyone else that I know about any of the "exploits." The attitude in the forums when someone complains is the afore mentioned F-you kind of response. Maybe if W-Hat distanced themselves from bad exploits when it was *not* convieninent, the "poor us" line would have more weight today.

Finally, although my opinion is based to a great extent on my negative experience with Plastic, it is also based on reading the forum and the words of *many* W-Hat members. Not just one.

To me if W-Hat is not a griefer group, it is certainly a convienient and ready *container* for a griefer group.

If W-Hat has any meaning at all, I dare you to publish an actual manifesto, here, in the forums so we can hold you to it.

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Even though I've been a daily reader of SomethingAwful for the last 6 years, as well as one of their Platinum forum members, I have no love for the W-Hats. While I admit some of them can be real dicks (one of them was going around the WA for a while last night telling newbies to hit CTRL-Q for free L$), it isn't fair to blame the entire group for the infractions of one member. Even though I don't like them, I do believe Teddy Kennedy though that if a W-Hat member did exploit SL, they've been tossed.

I am still curious though as to who it was and how they did it..