SLBoutique vs. SLExchange

When did I FRICKIN SAY NOBODY COULD GIVE THEIR OPINION?

as per USUAL, people went through my post with a fine tooth comb and managed to come up with the word "objective" and there everyone went.

And don't you sit there and tell me what I choose to be ignorant of and don't, Cristiano. I don't give a FLYING FIG about who said what and he said she said. And YOU don't get to DECIDE FOR ME that SLEXCHANGE SUCKS.

YOU HEAR THAT? None of you gets to decide for me who sucks and/or what business sucks, then say I "choose to be ignorant" because I don't listen to some TOTALL BULL that was going on months ago, about some interpersonal problem, then say, oh yes, yes, naturally, whatever you say, of course I will trash their business right along with you.

Heck, I wouldn't even trash a business I HATED.

coco

I didn't laugh at you - I am just tired of your efforts to control speech you don't like. Let LL deal with being the TOS police. So what if they laugh at you? Don't you think it just reflects poorly upon them? I didn't say I didn't agree with your opinion - though I think you were saying that your position is the rational one to have, not those who have had bad experience with those involved with SLExchange, and thus choose not to support it. I think there is value in both opinions - you may not have laughed about it, but by you saying yours is the reasonable approach, you are saying that other approaches are unreasonable.

(edited) Look back at the thread. You will see my perfectly reasonable post, in which I trashed NO THE FRICK BODY.

So the bunch of ya's can (edited)

coco

You'd be quite alone in thinking that ignoring history you didn't directly experience is "rational".

Considering the level of trust required to list products on sites similar to these - you are putting your distribution in the hands of another person, who could easily rend your business with a "distribute one of each to everyone listed" among other things - I'd say the truly rational approach would be to look up the history being referenced here (it is all on the forums) and make an informed decision.

That is, rather than let your distaste for a certain group of people decide your fate for you by reacting to thier opinions with a knee-jerk opposition.

nice.

I didn't say I get to decide for you - nowhere did I say that, so honestly, get over yourself. I don't know what you are going off about, but lose the caps lock. Talk about putting words in someone's mouth - I said you get to express your opinions, and others get to express theirs, voila, neat how that works. We all choose who we support, based upon experience or other things. There is nothing wrong with that - there is not a thing wrong with you supporting SLExchange, and there is not a thing wrong with those who would not spend a dime on the site because they dislike those who operate it. The same goes for any site, mine included, or any business.

Listen here, Cristiano, the day that you get the kind of treatment on these forums that I do is the day you can tell me how to handle it.

I NEVER SAID other approaches REGARDING THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD were not reasonable. I NEVER SAID OTHER OPINIONS OF BUSINESSES WERE NOT REASONABLE.

I said that CALLING ME IGNORANT WAS UNREASONABLE.

I give EVERYONE and EVERYBODY a totally fresh start when I meet them, and I DO NOT CARE what others have already told me about them. EVERYONE has a fresh chance and new start with me.

You can read! Everyone can read! You can just mosey on back in this thread and

then

I DARE YOU TO FIND THE PLACE WHERE I SUDDENLY BECAME A PERSON WHO EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO LAUGH AT. It didn't have a dang thing to do with MY attitude.

And it IS against the TOS.

coco

I am beginning to get reminded of SAID thread

Jillian, I haven't even figured out who the certain group of people are yet, but I am beginning to develop a pretty good suspicion! Must have something to do with SLBoutique!

You're supposed to like them and dislike SLExchange!

And the so-called "history" has NOTHING to do with anybody treating customers wrong, or running off with money, or being like I have read IGE has been.

NATURALLY I pay attention to something like what IGE has been, and unless I'd already been working with them and loving it, I would NOT go to them first.

But this stuff was interpersonal, between the two people running it. I have ALREADY SAID that I might or might not have enormous sympathy for whoever got the short end of the stick.

coco

P.S. I had friends who used SLExchange, it looked good to me, and as I said earlier

in my PERFECTLY REASONABLE post

theirs was the one I had completed first. And you think I should now pull out and leave these nice people in the lurch on the say-so of some people in this thread?

I think MY testimony and say-so regarding SLExchange is as valid as anyone else's and that's why I made it a point to say I thought they were JUST FINE.

And I'm some kind of an IDIOT somebody everybody gets to LAUGH AT and think is HILARIOUS and I am supposedly so IGNORANT because I don't have the common sense to take people's trashing of this business as holy mantra?

I DON'T THINK SO.

This is the part people are responding to. You did not just come into this thread and say you had a great experience with SLExchange, as others have said. You added this part, and that is why people responded to you. You acting so obtuse and outraged by it is what is so funny, because you provoke a fight and then cry foul.

OK, I see what you mean, Cristiano. I thought it was the word "objective."

On reflection, the post would have been better off without that paragraph.

coco

As SLEXCHANGE runs on a system of deposited money into the Exchange Street account, the fact that one partner froze the other out of access to that account was very germaine at the time. It was not just an interpersonal dispute. Ultimately, no money was lost, but the fact that one person seized the account that had the deposits of many players in it made a lot of people wary of ever using the system again. Additionally, having seen what Anshe did to Merwan's Paypal account over a dispute several weeks after the sale was finalized, I would not personally ever do business with the site, and definitely would not use any operation of Anshe's that involved Paypal.

Oh, did I already quote this? Sorry, my mistake.

And by the way, NOTHING IS FUNNY. I did not PROVOKE ANY ARGUMENT.

I didn't call anyone ELSE stupid, or George Orwell, or hilarious or any of that, did I?

You know what, it is entirely possibly to have ACTUAL REASONABLE DISCUSSIONS without calling ANYONE any of those names.

coco

AND I'm not "obtuse" and I'm getting SICK AND TIRED OF BEING CALLED THESE NAMES.

coco

If it were just interpersonal, you'd have a solid, irrefutable point.

The problem is, the business ethics of some involved were called into question. For real, objective reasons. It behooves anyone looking to do business with them to bear that in mind. This isn't just a like-dislike situation, even though I sorely wish it were.

On one hand you claim not to know any of the issues involved, but then you claim they are simply interpersonal issues -which is it?



If you think saying that people are unfairly badmouthing SLExchange is not going to provoke a fight, well, you saw the results. That is what I found funny - that you could think you could just say these things about people and they would not react, just as you react to things said about you.

Oh grow up, Cocoanut - you are being obutse. Waaah, that is not name calling. You are an intelligent person, and certainly know if you make certain comments, people are going to respond. To act as if you don't is being purposely obtuse.

PS - there you go with the group rhetoric again. One person found what you said hilarious, yet everyone is laughing at you. Just like everyone was campaigning to get rid of you (yet, it was one person). I know the Army likes to say we are an Army of One, but since when is one person a group?

Please stop your slander. When I make deal with you and pay you money on PayPal and after weeks you still not mail me contractual documents that we had agreed on, then it is my full right to put payments on hold. If anything you should learn from this then it is: Better not try screw Anshe!

I tell you what this whole mess is all about: It is once again the "FIC" clan and their groupies fighting against one business that is not controled by you and your friends. SLBoutique is "good" because it is run by somebody who belong to your "buddy circle". Gigas is "good" because it belongs to long year "FIC" members, as is SLUniverse or your "FIC" friend Merwan. So here the same buddies stick together and kick outside competition. In your system of thinking Apotheus is bad, Anshe is bad and everybody else is bad who is not part of your cartel and who DARES to compete with you.

I tell you that your "moral" stinks. It is nothing but self-serving and corrupt negative propaganda against those you want have out of your way. Please stop it now.

It is not slander to express my opinion and say that what I saw you do to Merwan's business paypal account (which you apologized for publicly, I might add - did you not mean it then, Anshe?) gave me pause about ever doing business with you. I am glad you have jumped on the FIC bandwagon since it suits you, but newsflash darlin, you are as FIC as they come so don't wrap yourself in a flag too tightly, you might just suffocate from all that hot air.

PS - by your own definition, "Better not screw Anshe!" implies that Merwan tried to. What is good for the goose is apparently not good for the slander. Why would you pay in advance of receiving the contracts anyway? That does not seem particularly shewd of you, Anshe.

Wow. Such an amazing drama explosion from such an innocent question. I'm impressed.

I'll let more of this action pile up and check again later this evening. After I've popped some corn, of course. Or perhaps nachos would be better...

Is it not then, "slander" when you insinuate that Merwan tried to "screw Anshe"? Double-standard?

This tactic is becoming old.

Here's how the tactic works:

If you don't like what someone has to say, and they are a regular poster, you call them "FIC", and claim that they are part of a nebulous group which is conspiring to control SL business, society, newbies, whatever.

By doing so, you deny them their right to individual thought (remember "individual thought"? It's the catchphrase that the FIC conspiracy promoters were using for a while, before they launched a censorship campaign), thereby marginalizing and relegating their opinions to some black hole you folks have created - where you scuttle anyone's opinions but your own.

The division he-who-shall-not-be-named attempted to create with this took hold. It's too useful a rhetorical tool for anyone who wants to deflect scrutiny from thier actions or choices.
I've seen oldbie and newbie alike use it to evade thier own responsibilities to community and ethics. I don't think it's going away any time soon, either. Horrid as that is to have to say.

I did not do anything to his PayPal account. I filed dispute on one payment I made after he failed send me contract. He then claimed whatever terrible consequences this had for himself (which I still have no clue what it was), after which I lifted dispute again. It is really low how you try drag this through forums and twist it in one attempt to scare off my customers.



The "FIC" I am talk about is the buddie circle you all too well know who belongs to it. I am not part of this "FIC" because it stinks! I rely on hard work and not on corruption, cartels or ass licking. My own morals tell me that every SL resident is equal, deserves same respect, deserve same fair pricing and same good deal. I believe in fair competition based on being better and not on discussing my competitors, my friends' competitors or their businesses on the forums. I also believe in spending my time serve my customers as good I can, so have one good night!

You're really missing out, man. The first chapter of my Entrepreneurism textbook is entitled



The chapter itself explains in detail that the act of licking an ass, though sometimes unpleasant, has been shown to provide a regular increase in quarterly profits in businesses that employ the technique for at least three fiscal years. This is even taking into account the cost of quartering and feeding the donkey, although not all business owners want to go to the trouble of keeping such a beast in their care.