Outrageously Offended

Exactly, I'm totally OK with consentual pornography.
Zero problem whatsoever. My beef is with how taco's doing it, like he's happy about fact that these girlies don't know. It's really creepy.

Green's coochie protrudes from SL pants! LOL!

Oh I understand that, I did glean that much from my 50% skim =P

But Taco has the right to publish it, and you have the right to request a retraction. after that he can choose to be honorable or dishonorable, and at that point everyone's options are clearly defined.

What Taco has done is not slander or libel he has published what he has seen, what he has seen is public domain Im sorry to say (I lost a RL case very similar so trust me on this one)

If the people in the photos do not want to be published they have to request post mortem. And then you get a retraction printed at the bottom of page 12b but by then everyone saw your goods...

Believe me I know what you are saying, and I know where you are comming from on this, and I swore to myself I wouldnt get involved in another (topic/case/incident) like this... and well here I am lol..... DAMN YOUR INSTIGATING TACO!!!

trust me that "Im not a celeb, Im a private person crap" does not hold up in court =\

LOL how big is yours? I find loose crotch slider in pants setting to around 5 does the trick.... Since it's mod, put a hide / show script in your 'coochie'

I guess you skimmed over my post describing the change in United States federal law concerning this upskirt photos etc. It's clearly illegal now by Act of Congress that is about to be signed by the President if it has not been so already. Perhaps the laws are different in your country.

I am coochie challenged !!!! LOL

Yeah probably skimmed it, I havnt lived in the states for a while either, I skimmed out of there too.

hehe that's quoteable! Had to reply just to quote that =]

Well, honeybunnnysmoochywoochums, you've convinced me. All the pen pals who've ever come to be good friends, loved one another, and (oh, the horror) even went on to meet irl, are a buncha sick fucks. Thanks bunches for your sensitive and insightful, emotionless response.

Emotionless yet firmly grounded in reality.

Oh, and having emotional problems is far different than being a "sick fuck." You're putting words in my mouth.

That makes me sad for you!

I guess me and my deliriously happy marriage are "sick" to you :))
I met him in a chatroom, talked for 3 years, met twice.. married 5 years :)
so terribly terribly "sick" for me to have emotions!

That's odd, I really thought that the people behind avatars were REAL! not pretend!
my bad!

Agreed but how will I know to request a retraction if Taco won't notify? He is very insistant on this issue, he does NOT feel like he should have to notify the subjects, and therefore the subject will have no idea that they should be objecting.


Well it's a fine point but some people may not want to be in upskirt photos for the reason that they don't want to be known as people that appear in upskirt photos. These images say something about the subjects and if Taco doesn't places a disclaimer next to a photo that says "this model is displayed without her knowlege and without her consent" the message is "this model poses for upskirts". This would be untrue and could be interpreted as Libel. I know it's not an airtight arguement so i wont fight ferociously for it, but I DO want to drive home the point that images of us SAY stuff about us. How do free speach laws affect what is said?


LOL I'm sorry. And I don't hate Taco. I just feel strongly about consent, and unlike RL...SL is flexible enough, and our voices are important enough where I think we could make good policy here where it would be a bloodbath to do in RL.

-aimee

Not. Your analogy is inaccurate.

Are the pictures labelled anything? Like maybe "SLUT" or "TRAMP" or "HOTTIE"? I understood there was no label, no moral judgement, no stereotyping, just a collection of pictures. But I actually can't be bothered to visit the "exhibit" it doesn't sound like anything I'd like, so I may be wrong.

but you can be bothered to defend it? o.O

Yes I'm repeating myself, but I really want to make this point and no one has responded...

Honestly, the more I think about this the more I think Taco knew what he was doing was intrusive, and was either looking for the reaction and attention of the crowd or was getting his jollies out of doing it, possibly both. Because if you actually believe that "it's just pixels that don't matter", or even "there is no privacy in SL, just deal", why bother in the first place?

Why not just go and photo edit your own perfect peeping-tom photo like somebody suggested?
Why not take photos of SL sex?
Why not show how little privacy the camera in SL give us by showing a whole range of photos of people doing things they expected to be private.
Why not show people's underwear displayed for all the world to see while the rest of their clothes were still appearing on a big lag day?
Why not take photos of elbows?
Why not just simply ask for permission?
Why not get together with your friends to play "peeping-tom photographer" with their knowledge and consent before hand?

Taco didn't do any of those things. Taco took a bunch of photos up women's skirts without their knowledge and without their consent - exactly like the creepaziod stalkers in RL.

It really seems like the whole point of the action is the intrusion - which is I guess why it's upset me so much!

Consent is the key, even more so when dealing with sex and sexual interactions.

Being fairly new to Second Life this was my first trip to the forums, what a topic lol. I have to admit Im a little shocked that this is so offensive to some people. Maybe im not seeing the big picture, but we are talking about the sexual explotation of Av's correct? Call me crazy but if I ran into a gallery that had candid pics of me caught with my boxers down, not only would I not be offended but maybe a little flattered that they found my pixel pecker so picture perfect.

But if you say we can't be offended by AV exploitation, you're saying we can't be offended by AV harassment, racism, etc.

You can't pick which feelings you're allowed to have and which you aren't.

Unfortunatly some folks forget that there are actual living breathing fealing human being's behind our Avatars and we are not Bots in any shape or form, and whats worse is some actually just don't care. SL in many was is an extention of RL even though they are two completly differant things. But the bottom line is we all share our SL world (as well as the real world) and we have to accept (or not) that we have to take the good, with the bad with the ugly.

As much as I love seeing ladies as* in real life (and in SL to a lesser exstent) I for one will not endorce this project and will not check the place out, not that will change anything, but at least for me I know what the word 'concent', 'privacy', and 'consideration' mean. While I may be human and make mistakes, I strive to be a better person every day of my life. So should we all.

And Taco perhaps this repeat-quote may help clarify things a bit for you seeing as you might have steped on a lot of folks with your actions:


"Always look out for number one, and be careful not to step in number two." - Rodney Dangerfield

Mistress,

<<the same could be said of soo many things..>>

What makes me sad for you is that you felt emotionally invested for years in someone whom you could not touch, feel, EXPERIENCE irl. There is an emotional connection that is created through physical touch that cannot be attained through any other means. NO I am not talking about sex.

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That Dangerfield quote is referring to not stepping in dog shit. It has nothing to do with stepping on people.... see, he's a comic. It's supposed to be funny...

..uh..
THANKS professor!
think we caught that, but dual meanings, yo.