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Cereal Milk
Magically Delicious
Join date: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 203
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08-09-2005 17:14
I spoke to Michael on the phone this afternoon, and he made it very clear to me that Linden Lab plans on siding with the sandbox griefers on the trademark issue. I think the way he worded it was that "if a resident is feeling spiteful" that it's within their right to interfere with content creators. He acknowledged that LL's position on trademark issues is "inconsistent," but I didn't even go down that road on the phone, nor am I here. I am way past done arguing about LL's policies, priorities, company direction, or whatever. Bottom line is, buy a Cereal Milk Motorsports car while you can, because as soon as I get back from Quebec and have access to my home PC again, I am voluntarily removing them from Second Life. Not adjusting the logos or anything of that sort. Not even selling them to you privately if you ask. It's just not worth my time anymore to deal in SL content while every party concerned gives me as much bullshit about it as possible. Especially now that my RL salary completely dwarfs what I make on GOM. Gone are the days when William Beckett stood on the front page of secondlife.com leaning against his Ferrari, I guess.
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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08-09-2005 17:24
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From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
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Cereal Milk
Magically Delicious
Join date: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 203
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08-09-2005 17:27
Worthless shit rewarded, effort punished. As it should be.
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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08-09-2005 17:29
From: Cereal Milk Worthless shit rewarded, effort punished. As it should be. See above.
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From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
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Foulcault Mechanique
Father Cheesemonkey
Join date: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 557
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08-09-2005 17:31
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Foulcault "Keep telling yourself that and someday you just might believe it." "Every Technomage knows the 14 words that will make someone fall in love with you forever, but she only needed one. "Hello"" Galen from Babylon 5 Crusade From: Jeska Linden I'm moving this over to Off-Topic for further Pez ruminations.
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
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08-09-2005 17:31
I was once at a party and had too much to drink and people told me I shouldn't drive home, and someone called the cops, it was probably that jerk, Fred, from accounting who always hated me. So now I'm in jail and it's all Fred's fault.
I feel for you, Cereal. By the way, what would I do with a car in SL? I guess there isn't a long warranty on them anyway, oh well.
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Cereal Milk
Magically Delicious
Join date: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 203
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08-09-2005 17:31
You should post less.
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Vuuduu Hoodoo
Hell's Belle
Join date: 16 Nov 2004
Posts: 38
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08-09-2005 17:40
Waah another person who openly steals copyrighted designs and trademarked logos and makes money off of them crying about big mean Linden Lab. Don't let the proverbial door hit you on your way out.....
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
Join date: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,920
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08-09-2005 17:55
<----------- Dickhead Post Number 9
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Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
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08-09-2005 17:57
I don't understand why you don't just change the logo around, alter a spoiler here and there, and keep on truckin. Why do you feel you have to toss the whole business out the window because of this?
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Foulcault Mechanique
Father Cheesemonkey
Join date: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 557
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08-09-2005 17:57
From: Cereal Milk It's just not worth my time anymore to deal in SL content while every party concerned gives me as much bullshit about it as possible. Especially now that my RL salary completely dwarfs what I make on GOM. I was cheering him on with the whole trademark thing.....until there. Violating Trademark to make a salary is wrong. I personally would understand if it paid for tier and maybe a cup of joe once in a while. *shakes head*
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Foulcault "Keep telling yourself that and someday you just might believe it." "Every Technomage knows the 14 words that will make someone fall in love with you forever, but she only needed one. "Hello"" Galen from Babylon 5 Crusade From: Jeska Linden I'm moving this over to Off-Topic for further Pez ruminations.
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
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08-09-2005 18:08
From: Cereal Milk You should post less. Agreed, I think my time would be far better spent ripping off your work and selling it. Thanks for the tip, my friend.
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Csven Concord
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Join date: 19 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,015
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08-09-2005 18:14
I'm with Aimee. But then given that the title of this thread is a slight rewording of a line attributed to an arrogant aristocrat (whether Marie Antoinette or another), and given some of the comments that seemed to me to fit the condescending attitude implied by that title, I also won't lose any sleep. Someone will fill the void.
And yes, I also noticed the line "Especially now that my RL salary completely dwarfs what I make on GOM." Sure sounds like it was always about the money. Big surprise.
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Lianne Marten
Cheese Baron
Join date: 6 May 2004
Posts: 2,192
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08-09-2005 18:17
From: pandastrong Fairplay <----------- Dickhead Post Number 9 I've always liked you Panda.
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
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08-09-2005 18:18
I dunno what the fuss is about.. there are many people in SL that have had successful runs of making items and doing a play on words for their products..
'Primcrafters' glasses springs to mind...
And many other highly successful makers of things like vehicles (FairChang for instance) that don't even need to go there..
Whats the big deal about photoshopping off a logo if required?
I just don't get it..
Siggy.
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
Join date: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,920
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08-09-2005 18:20
From: Lianne Marten I've always liked you Panda. THAT'S PANDA(tm) TO YOU! 
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Belaya Statosky
Information Retrieval
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
Posts: 552
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08-09-2005 18:24
From: Vuuduu Hoodoo Waah another person who openly steals copyrighted designs and trademarked logos and makes money off of them crying about big mean Linden Lab. Don't let the proverbial door hit you on your way out..... Nice use of a copyrighted image as a forum av -- Or are you actually Coop?
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
Join date: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,920
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08-09-2005 18:26
From: Belaya Statosky Nice use of a copyrighted image as a forum av -- Or are you actually Coop? I tried that with Newfie in the last bash thread. Didn't work 
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"Honestly, you are a gem -- fun, creative, and possessing strong social convictions. I think LL should be paying you to be in their game."~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media "That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline."~ Ingrid Ingersoll on the topic of LL refusing to pay pandastrong for being in their game.
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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
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08-09-2005 18:55
From: someone ...I just don't get it..
Siggy. Nor do some others, it seems 
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Foulcault Mechanique
Father Cheesemonkey
Join date: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 557
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08-09-2005 19:13
From: Belaya Statosky Nice use of a copyrighted image as a forum av -- Or are you actually Coop? A) She's not selling it. B) If you know where that came from then you know they can care less. Specially since they promote stealing on thier products.
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Foulcault "Keep telling yourself that and someday you just might believe it." "Every Technomage knows the 14 words that will make someone fall in love with you forever, but she only needed one. "Hello"" Galen from Babylon 5 Crusade From: Jeska Linden I'm moving this over to Off-Topic for further Pez ruminations.
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
Join date: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,920
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08-09-2005 19:28
From: Malachi Petunia Nor do some others, it seems  DON'T GET FANCY ON ME, MAL! If I was a trademark/copyright owner, and someone parodied my work, I wouldn't mind. If I was a trademark/copyright owner, and someone made a replica of my work, I would be upset if they manipulated the logo in the vein of parody, when the intent was clearly replication. (Well, I wouldn't be upset... the "hypothetical panda as a trademark/copyright owner" would be). To me that doesn't show the respect that utilizing a logo in replica design does. In Cereal's case, he did make money from from his replicas. That is wrong, and specific to his situation. However, I find the whole SFTU U STEELER THEIF GO CRIE 2 MOMMY attitude really gross. As well as the ability inherent in LL's lack of proactive enforcement for personal disputes to lead to trademark witchhunting. Now instead of I TRIPEL NEGGED U HAHAHA, we will have I TRIPEL NEGGED U AND TEL LINEDS ABOUT YUR VOLTRON STEELING. Enthusiasts all over the world make replicas out of clay, matchsticks, legos, etc. But if they use 3D primatives they are EVOL RUINORS OF TEH METAVURSE? SKATEBOARDING IS NOT A CRIME! er, I mean replica building. 
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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08-09-2005 19:32
From: pandastrong Fairplay er, I mean replica building.
Nay, nay, building the replica isn't what got him in hot water. It's selling the replica.
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From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
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Foulcault Mechanique
Father Cheesemonkey
Join date: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 557
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08-09-2005 19:45
From: pandastrong Fairplay However, I find the whole SFTU U STEELER THEIF GO CRIE 2 MOMMY attitude really gross. As well as the ability inherent in LL's lack of proactive enforcement for personal disputes to lead to trademark witchhunting. See only reason why I am jumping this guy is it is "his way or the highway". I don't care of I even half away agree with him...which I do. If people are so blind as to not want to understand the other side and be intellegent about it then they get what they get. Let him be a 'Steeler' It's the 'Crying to mommy' that drives me nuts.
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Foulcault "Keep telling yourself that and someday you just might believe it." "Every Technomage knows the 14 words that will make someone fall in love with you forever, but she only needed one. "Hello"" Galen from Babylon 5 Crusade From: Jeska Linden I'm moving this over to Off-Topic for further Pez ruminations.
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Ardith Mifflin
Mecha Fiend
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,416
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08-09-2005 19:47
I know one thing: Cereal deserves to swing. After buying one of his replicas, I was so content with suddenly owning an object bearing the mark of a major car manufacturer that I immediately abandoned my original plan of buying a real car. Cereal personally cost them US$25,000!
You can bet I'll be testifying at the trial, buddy!
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Forseti Svarog
ESC
Join date: 2 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,730
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08-09-2005 19:51
cereal, you know where i come down on the logos/brand thing but I still think you do quality work. If you are so frustrated that you are going to toss everything out the window, so be it, no ones gonna stop you, but there is no reason why you can't sell a Cereal Motorsports rather than a (insert brand here).
There is no clothing designer that I am aware of that has decided to circumvent building their own brand by marketing their stuff as "Giorgio Armani" clothes. They may take design ideas from the market, but you can take design ideas for your cars as well. They build their own brand, and you can build your own brand.
I mean what? 99% of the work you have put in to date would be retained, and you'd have to change 1%. I'm having a hard time relating to your anger.
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