An End to Division

A peace offering, or I'm realy a nutcase my new sig

Cat

Thank you, Catherine, you actually made me laugh I also appreciate you changing the signature.

You see? Is it so hard or so painful to bury our hatchets?

Yes, down with division! Multiply by the inverse instead!

As long as we're at it, can we call for an end to multiplication, too? You know, the sentiments are nice, but I don't buy it. One of the things that Prokofy did - and did wrong, but did, nonetheless - was to help introduce the concept of opposition into Second Life. Drama, the staple of SL, is very definitely not opposition.

Drama is a game. Opposition is one of those factors that will cause SL to become more than a game, if it ever does.

Of course there's going to be conflict between rational individuals. Of course there is separation, and there's nothing artificial about it at all. Of course there are those who have status, and those who do not. Everything that pertains in real life is present in Second Life, merely because it is in the character of human beings, exacerbated by human experience. LL and SL residents have determined that SL will be a simulacrum of RL. The consequences of that decision are both good and bad. Some will have, and some will have not. Bigotry and closed-mindedness will be persistant factors. More than one solution will exist for most issues, and some issues will have no solutions at all. Serious people will find themselves opposed to one another over serious matters, with no option left but to fight or give up. If SL is not just a game, that is.

Opposition is not a bad thing. Prokofy's downfall was in his inability to manage it, or himself. The downfall of a number of Prokofy's critics is in their inability to recognize and/or accept the meaning of the opposition he and others brought forth.

No, I'm not going to join hands with my neighbors and give thanks that the dragon has been slain, because I don't live in an Ursula LeGuin novel. When we decide that SL needs no basis in reality - when we, for example, decide to stop structuring sims along the lines of earthly tropical paradises, and start thinking about what freedom from human physicality, presence, and movement really means - then we can say things like "end division," and we can talk seriously about new relationships and new social orders.

Until then, we continue recreate RL in SL, and that means opposition will continue to be a necessary feature of our "lives". More necessary than drama, I think.

opposition was already expressed in sl and the forums. it's not new.

i think of this thread as dancing on a grave.

Opposition is fine and dandy when it points out legitimate problems in a rational way. That was almost never the case here. His claims were always exaggerated or outright fabrications, and in his efforts to give credence to his theories about specific groups or individuals, he baited them incessantly until they snapped so he could go "see?!" It was petty, vindictive, malicious, and it won't be missed. It certainly doesn't deserve any post mortem glorification.

This thread is a joke. With the exception of Coco, Catherine and Kelly, with whom I agree, the rest of you, who are feeling so smug at having persuaded the Lindens to perm ban Prokofy, will carry on as per usual, insulting those you do not perceive to be in the 'gang'.

I hereby give warning that if I see any one of you ripping apart another person on here, that I will send in an AR and others should do the same.

The insults you hurled at Prokofy were far worse than he hurled at you. This forum is going to be a poorer place without him. Regardless of not always agreeing with his posts, I enjoyed reading them.

Alexa

this is a baseless accusation.

the lindens make their own decisions.

they are not the puppets of any group.

this kind of talk was just one of the many inflammatory and contentious things that probably got this latest (first?) person banned from the forums.

if the lindens really were the puppets of a vocal majority/minority/group, then certain people would have been banned long ago.

i think that most of you who are accusing some phantom group of getting anyone banned really don't really believe that such a group did such a thing. if you really believed that, then you should be quaking in your boots lest you get banned for pissing off this shadowy group, too. seriously. but such a group does not exist.


the forum policy was clearly stated.

1. you get an informal warning.
   
2. if you cause more trouble, then you get a formal warning.
   
3. if you cause more trouble again, then you get suspended.
   
4. if you cause yet more trouble, then you get banned.
   

getting banned from the forums doesn't happen out of the blue.

if you have a problem with what the lindens did, take it up with them.

blaming people in the forums is a red herring.

lol I am too old to 'do' shaking in my boots.

If you tell me that no SL resident influenced LL in this banning I am afraid I have to tell you I don't believe it. One only has to go back to the time when Pathfinder had conversations with certain residents where Prokofy was discussed in detail on the IRC.

Alexa

yes, people have influence. that influence is in reporting the harassment they experience at the hands of another sl resident.

i'm quite certain the many people made such reports.

and the lindens do take that into consideration.

but the lindens are the one that make the final decisions.

pathfinder should not have said anything about how ll felt about the situation. but it's clear that ll already had a problem with this person.

blaming some imaginary group for the result of one person's actions is a red herring.

this person got themselves banned.

they were warned. they persisted. they were suspended. and yet they persisted. so they got banned.

placing the blame on some phantom power block in sl is a red herring.

your own words give the lie to your stated belief that some group got someone banned. if you really believed that, you should be concerned that you're next. but you don't really seem concerned.

so, again, blaming people in the forums is a red herring.

*sniff, sniff*

I smell an alt.

stop it already.

Bollocks to all of you, you soft shites. WTF is up with you lot? Took too many of your happy pills this morning, did ya? You're only supposed to take enough to enable you to behave like rational human beings, not so you start a fucking forum orgy.

Ok. You may ban me now, Lindens. (edited)

Orgy? Me, you, its all we need baby

Sniff all you like, I am not an alt. I find it really amusing that you accuse people of being an alt just because they have a different opinion.

Alexa

Now, now children - behave!

We brits need to stick together! *hugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggs*

Ahah! Let's see. A Brit. Sticking up for a Brit. Uhuh. Uhuh.

Or maybe it's because SHE'S YOUR ALT!

And since you're my alt, you should have told me you'd got an alt alt.

But never mind, we'll all be banned soon

Which is food for thought. Because about 40% of this forum is actually only 5 people. If they all get banned its gonna be quiet in here.

I would say STFU YOU CUNT, but i might get us banned

For thread hijacking or personal insults? It's fortunate you're me, or I'd report your post. But you can't report yourself

There's a vast difference between MPD and fucking with people on multiple accounts.

This tatic has to stop.

Alexa I hear you too.

Hugz

Cat

Red herring all you want, StoneSelf. I know the Lindens act on their own, in the sense that they are the final authority and they make decisions. (Including not paying enough attention to what goes on in the forums, then trying to solve everything in one fell swoop by banning Prok and instituting over-reaching new forum rules.)

But . . . I give you Enebran's plea in the Hot Line for them to do something. And that is merely the latest in this long effort to "do something about Prok."

You know, not everything is either causeless or limited to one cause. To assert that certain residents had nothing to do with this, in causing it to develop and causing Prok's removal, is naive at best.

Plus, I wasn't born yesterday.

coco