Is LL over stepping their power??

for the love of....

Wrong crazed despot. Should be a picture of Stalin.

Nah I've already portrayed Uncle Joe as Newbie Helper extrodinaire in another thread.

heh. One Day in the Life of Nappy Newbyovich....

The other option not considered, well it was referenced, is that the person banned was abuse reported. If the person ARing her, copied and pasted the referenced bit of ims into an abuse report, wouldn't THAT be why Linden couldn't give the information to her? The abuse report WOULD be private and would conflict with privacy issues, wouldn't it?

I stated in another post I am not a lawyer. Thanks for giving me the freedom to find an exception but as I am not a lawyer I have a feeling whatever I post will be considered incorrect info by you anyway. Besides, anyone I know who was banned was banned for a just reason. I don't feel the need to defend your friend in this case because I do not know her/him.

Maybe you should ask one of the Linden's directly. Or your friend should consult a lawyer to see if she was unjustly banned. You keep ranting about legal rights, why isn't she taking this up with proper authorities. Nobody in the forums can change the fact LL read her IM (illegally per you). Since LL is "breaking the law" she should consult an attorney.

I don't like the fact that LL monitored an IM but I think the bigger picture here is they banned a player for her "intent" to grief. Did she acturaly break any rules? Things that make me go hmmm.

I do however have a solution "Yahoo IM"

Cat

I still don't get what the original deal was.

Was one person, or two, banned for a private discussion of planning or doing a possible crime that was still in the hypothetical stage?

Or what?

I can dig Lindens looking at IMs in response to abuse reports to determine if a crime has been committed, and by whom.

I'm not getting this part where people have been banned for just DISCUSSING doing a possible crime.

There must have been some actual crime committed somewhere, surely.

coco

Guess they're just following the current administrations precident

Just making progress on the War On Grief.. erm ah I mean .. the Gridwide Effort against Virtual Extremism.

Thoughtcrimes - its doubleplusgood and now they must go see the Ministry of Love.

Then stop pretending you know everything.

Ok there are two situations I see here.
A) Privacy - reading of IM
B) Customer Service - Not seeing the "offending" conversation

A) This system is entirely owned by Linden Labs they can at any time view, log, or record your conversations for thier use and records. Had this conversation taken place in IRC, yahoo, AIM, MSN, ICQ, etc then that's a different story, Even with IM services they can monitor your transmissions. The thing is they need to be used for internal reasons and cannot be acted upon by an outside party, example yahoo cannot hand LL over information without a court order or your consent.

B) Your friend called LL and was denied records. This could be done for many reasons and vary but the obvious one would be they have not finished the investigation or that it might be handled by another department. Many times that I have worked for Customer Service locations I can see alot more then I can talk about becuase of various reasons some as simple as you could not provide information that would allow me to ID you as being you (No I don't know who you are and no I will not release personal information).

When you set out to do something stupid AND discuss it over a network you don't control, you get what you deserve.

Okay, I'm sorry, but if you want me to read something, make it readable.

I was playing FF9 the other day and I am sure that Vivi was looking at me through the TV set so I hurridly put my clothes on. I have to conclude that he is not really Vivi since he bears a remarkable resemblence to a certain Linden who shall remain nameless.

By the way any moron who is planning to bomb a sim deserves a ban no matter how they were caught. I don't get the point of this thread at all.

I, too, lol'd over the rubber tree plant thing.

I guess, from the lack of any info to the contrary, that I am right that this person is saying that people were banned for having a conversation regarding the future commision of a crime?

If so, yes, I know they can do that. They can ban somebody for "any and no reason."

But the thing of concern here, to me, is not that they review IM's - everybody knows all games have that right, and need to have that right. (And I doubt many - if ANY - ever abuse that privilege by listening in on private conversations just for kicks.)

The thing of concern is, people get banned for having a private conversation about possibly doing a future crime? There's something very not good and distasteful about that, if that is indeed the full story. There must at least have been prior documented crimes committed by these same people.

coco

Ah, so I am not the only one who games in the nude.

This is a silly discussion. Let me clue you folks in on a nice little trick that was recently shared with me.

To use encrypted, unmonitored text communications initially implemented in 1.6 only for FIC use, hit the following key combinations just after login:

Alt-F4 (Windows)

Cmd-I-R-A-Q (Mac OS X)

Your menu background will turn a dark orange, signifying your client's entry into encrypted comm mode.

Enjoy your new privacy!

OMG Siggy stop it stop it LOL I love your humor

Hey you forgot "talk about possible crimes against the grid and other players in yahoo IM"

Hehe oh come on now its 2am no one is around your know ppl are at the "club" your a board LL employee... snicker whats the harm.

In a nut shell Lindens are dare i say it? Human too Not a damn thing would suprize me anymore.

Oh and LL my IM's are very boring, I use yahoo for the juicy bits naner naner naner LOL

I'm loving the 3 pages of arguments about a situation that none of us have first hand information about. Yay!!

And if LL wants to read my IMs.. go for it. Better bring a good novel though, cause it doesn't get much more boring than that.

Isn't that the way it always goes here?

Yeah, undoubtedly this has happened in this and other games and even other things like the phone company; I'm just at a wild loss as to how to even estimate how much, or even phrase it!

Would it be like maybe one employee (at a given company) with this ability does it?

Or would it be more like every employee with this ability does it at least once?

I'm KINDA inclined to believe the latter, lol.

but . . . ahem. As I was saying . . . er, what was I saying?

In TSO it was kind of spooky because the reps could be invisible on the game, and visiting your house, and you wouldn't know it, until they left, when the chat log would then say, "MaxisSo-and-so has left" as the chat log always said who came and went. Except it never said when those invisible reps came.

coco