The Great SL Recession of '04?

dude now you're just playing dumb. i can't turn around without getting smacked in the head by innovative and successful content and creative people. course i don't hang out exclusively in empty new land sims dealing land so who knows?

Certainly -- go do a search for marjong tables - then go ask Xylor if he would stop scripting over this.

Go to Abbotts Aerodrome and ask Cubey why he builds airplanes.

Ask Bonecrusher Slate about his buildings

Torrid Midnight about her clothes.

I could go on and on and on - you'll find people like this everywhere.

The Linden to USD conversion isn't why a lot of these people build/script/create.

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Now be so kind as to back up your own argument...



Siggy.

Zuzi, he specifically stated there was a large group of 'the most innovative and successfull content creators' who he implied did not care about L$ value, while a secondary group of (again implied) non-productive players 'scream' over nonsense. I don't think its too much to ask if such a group exists for him to actually point a few out. As for the ones that he just did mention - I will check with them and see if they do in fact donate their profits to some kind of charity, or re-invest it into the good of the game but somehow i doubt it in the majority of cases. Many people are more than willing to play for the fun of it, but all I'm saying is that capitalism is a strong motivator and when the system is designed in a way that isnt conducive to development there will be far fewer creators than there could be.

Hmm where did I say that? Now your just trying to put words into my mouth.....

And you still haven't backed up your original straw man argument where I am supposedly for destroying malls et. al.

Siggy.

If you couldn't tell I was being facetious im not going to attempt to explain it to you.

And here's what you actually said - that this would run off the most devoted people in SL.

And as I pointed out - that simply isn't true.

Siggy.

You didnt point anything out other than make broad over reaching statements based on random opinion - same as me

So instead you will simply invent things and support them as argument...

Your only defense to my statement some over the top drivel - so now, prove your points.

You ask for proof, try and put words into my mouth, then refuse to back up what your saying... so much for your argument.

-- and now you have an additional point to back up, the whole 'donate to charity' issue.


Siggy

Siggy, scroll two posts up from the one you responded to.

Invent things and support them as argument? Such as?

Your statement was meaningless. How and Why would it need a defense? You can say people don't care about L$ that matter and develop all you want and I can disagree.

Exhibit A.

Siggy

Ahhh thats more like it My advice with the L$ hitting the price it did today; BUY BUY BUY everything is cheaper now, land, objects, clothes, L$.

If you have been wanting something buy it now, you are get a real value for the $ now. As the L$ drops your RL$ will now go further.



Cat

You asked me to back up what I said - and I did. So now it's meaningless - btw I'm still waiting for you to back up your comments now... Instead I'm getting smokescreen.

Siggy.

Maybe i misunderstood what you meant here then. Is it your opinion that the most innovative and successful content creators would answer that they did or did not care? And if they do not care, yet are profiting significantly, would they also answer that they would continue if their profits ceased? Would they pay their entire tier fee out of their own pocket every month without in game relief? Should SL development really be closed off to only the most rich in RL? I personally would rather see a world with a stable enough currency that people could choose to work from within the game OR buy what you want entirely. Im pretty sure most of the large developers would as well but that could be false, as you seem to believe. Im sure those you mentioned and others would be more than happy to discuss their preferences so im not sure why you would be so against actually confirming your claims with them. Until that time we are both just spouting personal opinion.

Indeed this is exactly what I am saying.



I'm not against that at all - so lets make it point 3, find where I state that I am, and where I have said this..

In fact thats why I used examples that are easy to find IN THESE FORUMS... What I'm against is you putting words into my mouth, and changing the criteria of your argument after you've made it.

And as I said - those folks have posted thier opinions publically - so I guess it's not so much personal opinion...

And I'm still waiting for you to make your case about the most devoted people et. al. being forced out of Second Life by this - you have asked me to clarify points and give examples - this I have done.. I ask the same thing of you if you would wish to further your point. To this point all you've done is either asked for more clarification on my points, try and put words in my mouth, or state the ludicrous.

I'm asking the same thing you have asked of me - can you deliver?

Siggy.

Siggy, you need a hug Regardless though the best i can do is walk through this with you one step at a time. Im going to start with a quote of... myself



There are a few things i want to be clear about this statement. First, its my opinion and i never claimed otherwise. Second, I'm not going to search the forum for evidence you claim backs your theories up. If you want to argue with my opinions that is fine, PM me the links where these claims are and if a large percentage of current land owners really have already claimed L$ value is meaningless to them then my original opinion was obviously incorrect and I would immidiately retract. You've done nothing of the kind, instead you have repeated the same statements over and over like a parrot. Regardless, I think you should probably try and read the originating post of this thread. It in and of itself is an example of my point. Here is a quote:



I understand, of course, that you have negative personal feelings towards Anshe and apparently myself but nevertheless her points have all been valid. Given the time and will, I am sure I could seek out others who feel the same but your general rudeness has left me with a distinct desire to ignore your commentary entirely. Whether or not I am right will be clear in time as the game progresses regardless of our debate.

You know, there's always saying something about sticking to the cyber prostitution business.

Inflation -- it's a *good* thing.

Course, there's always deflation. But what goes down... ohhhhhh soon comes up!

Maybe a change of business model for some individuals?

Afterall, what *better* way to make yourself of value to the community?

Once again - thats two for the price of one.

Now you may feel free to quote where I have negative feelings towards Ansche and yourself.

Now as for my general rudeness - I made a statement that the drop of the linden dollar will not drive players from the game - you then posted a vitriolic comment, to wit I called you an idiot.

Since then I have answered every query you have put forward, and asked you to back up your claims

Since then you haven't provided one single point to validate your original assertation... You have however, on five occasions now, made statements like that above - claims that cannot be substantiated - essentially trying to put words in my mouth.

You may ignore me if you like, but I will take your total lack of support to your claims and your entire argument as your conceding, and your initial bout of vitriol as a troll.

Thank you for playing.

Siggy.

I have read the entire thread, what I commented on was your assertion that this would cause those that bring the most to SL to leave.

If you find my asking you to validate your claim, and to provide evidence of the false statements you're trying to put into my words 'parroting' then feel free to.


Siggy.

You are so confused. Take a breath. Its going to be Okay.

Ahhh, the magic of mute.

Keep on Dreamin'... Have a nice day - I just suspect that when you dropped your troll you didn't expect your ass to be handed back to you on a plate..

Enjoy the meal.

Siggy

hahaha. Yeah, thats it. It amazes me you can be so ignorant and aggressive at the same time.

So much for 'mute'!

(Good thing I quoted - someone is deleting their posts )

Your on crack.

Your nuts.