Government Forum

Are you talking to me? I haven't asked for a government.

I did give an example to show that just because government might be optional doesn't necessarily mean that it's not obtrusive. Plenty of optional things are obtrusive. Did you know that filing income tax forms in the United States is optional?

My comment was the follow-up on Robin's comment that you asked for. I still think it is only marginally germane to this thread, except to highlight Nolan's point that the message from LL is far from clear. And they've always encouraged us to share our ideas, so that seems to be a bit of an opening. Since such discussions don't seem to be welcome in the main forum, let's have a separate one.

You say things that I don't understand. What do you think I am trying to be able to deny?

My life is an open book. Here are the groups I belong to: Anarchism, Awakening Avatars, Edifice Rex, Friends of the Iraqi War Memorial, and Oselli Lomeron (formed only to allow me and my friends to share land).

I've tried discussing government in the Anarchism group. You can imagine how stimulating that discussion was!

1. we dont give two shits about your group list.
2. HAHAHHAHHAH! You tried discussing goverment......in a group called anarchism?

I agree that we did, and I apologize for my role in that. I am also sorry that I got a bit frustrated. Now we can just sit back and see what unfolds.

Okay. You win. Bye.

Aye, now we may. And heck, it's okay -- I'm sorry if I had said anything inflammatory.

Good thing we got it clear in the end.

While the Report Abuse button continues to exist and be used, and people continue to be suspended and banned - and while Liaison Lindens exist - then no, we do not govern our own behavior. LL do.

I govern my behavior. LL disciplines for breaches of the ToS. In my mind there is a difference. I think the vast majority of SLers, myself included, have never been disciplined in any manner, therefore I feel the vast majority governs itself. Unless you see SLer behavior at some sort of crisis point there really is no need for player government. Even Ulrika stated government is not necessary for SL. If it is at some sort of behavioral crisis point, i.e., so many people are misbehaving, I am certainly not going to trust others who misbehave to govern the behavior of my peers or myself, as there would be a proportionate amount of *governors* misbehaving themselves.

Well said Nolan! I completely agree. I don't see one valid point for a gov't yet.

Cat

I don't disagree with anything you have said. However, my reading of LL statements - and I admit that yes, I'm "putting words into their mouths" and imagining I have "fabulous insight" - is that they are hoping to move to a state where LL as a company does not spend time disciplining for breaches of the TOS. At that point, there may be divisions in the grid, some of which have their own "governments" and some of which are lawless lands without a TOS. People decide where they want to live and spend their time.

Until such a time, even though we are governing ourselves, LL acts as the legislative branch of government. Only they can apply the brute force necessary to punish wrong-doing.

I believe that any discussion of government would be with a view to the above future scenario taking place. It makes sense to me that some self-governing areas be tried before LL abandons their legislative and enforcement duties - and that discussion on what life will be like in the "lawless lands" also takes place.

If I am wrong, and LL never plan to abandon a TOS and company enforcement of the terms within it, that's fine. Great. Wonderful. I'll be happy to be wrong. But I think I'm right on this.

Maybe Robin or Philip can clarify?

Lisse


I keep coming back to the UK situation with the single currency. It has been debated to death over here....there is a clear majority that DON'T want it introduced, but the vocal minority KEEP bringing it up...and talk about the "inevitablity" of it's introduction. It's just "how we WANT it brought in".
The anti's keep saying the same thing....... BEFORE we talk about it.......lets VOTE on it. Clear, unequivocal.
It's the same here with self government. People can put whatever slant on the utterings from on high that they wish, there is no point going on an on about it, until we have one of three things:

1) A CLEAR statement from LL....... no waffle....just "we intend to introduce a player run "government"......now discuss the form"

or

2) "we'd LIKE to introduce a player run "government"....but will now hold a vote so that our customers can express their viewpoint at the ballot box".

or

3) "we've observed the general feeling, and have decided to maintain things as they are....now move along...nothing to see here"

Once things are clear.......it makes it easier for people to decide their next step.

We've done the debating, we'd appreciate an answer. Is it THAT hard Linds??......

Hey. I'll give you L$1k if you stop using your "period" button.

~Ulrika~

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......................
Guess that suggests I'm not here for the money.

Hey vixen, can you take the poll on

/120/9b/28583/1.html

You might want to refrain from posting as people are very hot button about seeing the word "government" on their screens these days.. (or maybe it's just "blaze"

Ulrika

Hey. I'll give you L$1k if you stop using your "period" button
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Vixen - I think you should use a period between every word - several if possible. You could be worth a fortune lol.

Tut tut Ulrika - not nice.

Latonia

periods have buttons now ..................................Amazing

After the responce to a post I read in another thread I have to reitterate this once more.

There is NO NEED for a PLAYER RUN GOVERNMENT IN SL.

After the written words of stupidity that I read in another thread by the strong supporter and advocate of Player Run Governments it is in my opinion that when Tyranny speaks to suppress what they consider vile or abhorent goes to show you that a player run government is nothing more than a gang of bullies trying to make things go their way.

Thus I state again There is NO NEED for a PLAYER RUN GOVERNMENT in SL as most player run goverments are Corrupt and USLESS to the COMMON Player.

Sincerely, Shadow Weaver.

I agree with Cris on this issue.

Latonia


Hehe.......fortunately I'm easy going enough to guess the wink at the end of Ul's post meant she was joking. God forbid she was being serious.
I like periods......it's just me...I don't pre plan what I intend to write here, so it's my way of splitting my thoughts as I go. The day i start worrying about my grammar here, is the day i truly WILL start reconsidering being part of SL!!!

Agreed..unless Linden Labs implements these regulations and standards within SL a player run government is only a "Roleplay" not a standard which will be adhered to unless employed or authorized by Linden Labs.

Well, good to see we finally got one

well, where is the "necroposting" and troll accusation post?