Ageplay more evil than Dolcett?
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Corvus Drake
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08-01-2006 10:08
From: Liona Clio Ergle!  Wait a sec; are you saying that sexual ageplay is happening in obviously public areas, Colette? If that were the case, I would have to agree that such behavior is *not* appropriate to occur in public. Heck, *any* kind of sexplay is not something that should be happening on public property... Private and Consensual should be the guidelines to such things. Liona, she's referring to the fact that stores for these items are in the same places as any other. Which is like sex shops IRL, they're right there for all to see, there just aren't nearly as many as in SL. There are public clubs where ageplay is permitted, as well as areas designed for it. Before Dwell died there was a club resembling a spaceship that was dedicated to it, I don't see that in Find anymore though. Vore, Dolcett, and snuff fetishes all have their own areas too. The products themselves that facilitate it are usually in specialized stores, but the stores are as public as any other. What seems to upset people is how others RP the character. Many ageplayers continue family interaction in public, they just don't have sex. Edit: These characters often have profiles proclaiming what they do behind closed doors, though. Thus the angst over it.
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Colette Meiji
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08-01-2006 10:10
From: Liona Clio Ergle!  Wait a sec; are you saying that sexual ageplay is happening in obviously public areas, Colette? If that were the case, I would have to agree that such behavior is *not* appropriate to occur in public. Heck, *any* kind of sexplay is not something that should be happening on public property... Private and Consensual should be the guidelines to such things. the definition of private and public blurs YES there are people who's Avatars are teenager who actively seek adult avs to have sex with in normal clubs , and what not. that would be in the realm of offensive to me. I banned someone from my club for doing it. As far as school girl unifroms I see them only on obviously adult avs being sold - I wouldnt see that as an issue necessarily. I havent seen kid avs for sale in a sexual context either. Nor should I - I would hope.
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Colette Meiji
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08-01-2006 10:14
From: Corvus Drake Liona, she's referring to the fact that stores for these items are in the same places as any other.
Which is like sex shops IRL, they're right there for all to see, there just aren't nearly as many as in SL.
There are public clubs where ageplay is permitted, as well as areas designed for it. Before Dwell died there was a club resembling a spaceship that was dedicated to it, I don't see that in Find anymore though.
Vore, Dolcett, and snuff fetishes all have their own areas too.
The products themselves that facilitate it are usually in specialized stores, but the stores are as public as any other.
What seems to upset people is how others RP the character. Many ageplayers continue family interaction in public, they just don't have sex. Edit: These characters often have profiles proclaiming what they do behind closed doors, though. Thus the angst over it. I dont think age play in a sexual manner should be marketed in the standard shop structures in SL. On private sims and clubs cataring to that stuff , long as it was clearly marked so the rest of us wouldnt have to see it - maybe A lot of work would have to be done on the part of the age players not to accidently offend people in their venues or marketing. Since they know they are participating in an area that encroaches on many peoples personal trauma and sensability.
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Corvus Drake
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08-01-2006 10:14
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Do you group Dolcett and other cannabilism fetishes in along with ageplay, Colette?
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Corvus Drake
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08-01-2006 10:17
From: Colette Meiji I dont think age play in a sexual manner should be marketed in the standard shop structures in SL.
On private sims and clubs cataring to that stuff , long as it was clearly marked so the rest of us wouldnt have to see it - maybe
A lot of work would have to be done on the part of the age players not to accidently offend people in their venues or marketing. Since they know they are participating in an area that encroaches on many peoples personal trauma and sensability. If you go exploring, you run the risk of finding things. That said, I've yet to see anything used in ageplay, vore, etc. sold in stores as such, other than consumption poses and that's rare (and usually crappy). So I'm not sure where the issue is.
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08-01-2006 10:17
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Colette Meiji
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08-01-2006 10:18
From: Corvus Drake *tries to get thread back on some sort of track*
Do you group Dolcett and other cannabilism fetishes in along with ageplay, Colette? Id include any sexual play that is roleplaying anything other than consensual sex between adult avs. That would include some of the gorean stuff - age play - rape play - vore - canibalism. care would be needed (which I think is generaly done already) not to market things in a way to offend people outright.
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Liona Clio
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08-01-2006 10:26
From: Corvus Drake Liona, she's referring to the fact that stores for these items are in the same places as any other. Which is like sex shops IRL, they're right there for all to see, there just aren't nearly as many as in SL. Ah. Yeah, you can't walk 10m in SL without bumping into a humpy-humpy poseball shoppe. From: someone There are public clubs where ageplay is permitted, as well as areas designed for it. Before Dwell died there was a club resembling a spaceship that was dedicated to it, I don't see that in Find anymore though. Vore, Dolcett, and snuff fetishes all have their own areas too. The products themselves that facilitate it are usually in specialized stores, but the stores are as public as any other. Most of these shops, however, are pretty clearly marked as to what they sell. I really can't imagine someone claiming, "I got tricked into buying the 'Vibro3000 Inflato-Penis FOR TEENS!'...I wuz abused!" Well, I can imagine it, but I would have to laugh in their face, just on principle. From: someone What seems to upset people is how others RP the character. Many ageplayers continue family interaction in public, they just don't have sex. Edit: These characters often have profiles proclaiming what they do behind closed doors, though. Thus the angst over it. Bringing *incest* into the long list of unapproved kinks. Considering I flirt continuously with my 'brother' on SL (who is my RL roomie), I'm definitely in the "it's harmless fun" camp on this topic. I don't think putting a note in your profile about your sexual preferences is a "proclaimation", myself. Whether it's incest, ageplay, Gorean, or even this icky cannibalphila stuff, my equation on this still stands, IMHO: PRIVATE + CONSENSUAL = NONE OF OUR DAMN BUSINESS
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Corvus Drake
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08-01-2006 10:29
From: Liona Clio Ah. Yeah, you can't walk 10m in SL without bumping into a humpy-humpy poseball shoppe. Most of these shops, however, are pretty clearly marked as to what they sell. I really can't imagine someone claiming, "I got tricked into buying the 'Vibro3000 Inflato-Penis FOR TEENS!'...I wuz abused!" Well, I can imagine it, but I would have to laugh in their face, just on principle. Bringing *incest* into the long list of unapproved kinks. Considering I flirt continuously with my 'brother' on SL (who is my RL roomie), I'm definitely in the "it's harmless fun" camp on this topic. I don't think putting a note in your profile about your sexual preferences is a "proclaimation", myself. Whether it's incest, ageplay, Gorean, or even this icky cannibalphila stuff, my equation on this still stands, IMHO: PRIVATE + CONSENSUAL = NONE OF OUR DAMN BUSINESS I feel like I owe you some private + consensual for your excellent argument and support of my point  . *snickers*
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08-01-2006 10:34
From: Corvus Drake I feel like I owe you some private + consensual for your excellent argument and support of my point  . *snickers* I suppose that would all depend on whether you're having me for dinner beforehand....with some fava beans and a nice Chianti. 
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Colette Meiji
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08-01-2006 10:38
From: Liona Clio PRIVATE + CONSENSUAL = NONE OF OUR DAMN BUSINESS
was my point basically - where do private and public blur. Id consider a themed club even one open to the public, private Id consider most malls, public. A mall on an Age Play sim would be private. Yes Corvus is right I havent seen any of those things marketed in that way. But how things are marketed and how I feel they should be arent necessarily the same thing. Someone could go and agressively market AV child sex tommorrow. My veiw would remain the same, while the marketing as it exists would have changed drastically. Though - I was mainly responding to why Age play is more a contention than canibalism - becuase it affects more people becuase of tramatic events in their lives. In response to Corvus' "go exploring might see something offensive - " If someone is going to ask why people find something offensive - then they might get answered.
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Corvus Drake
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08-01-2006 10:39
From: Liona Clio I suppose that would all depend on whether you're having me for dinner beforehand....with some fava beans and a nice Chianti.  I figured I'd invite you over for a nice meal of Gorean Dolcett Ageplayer. You know, a mince-taboo pie.
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08-01-2006 10:40
From: Elum Pegler They're both pretty disgusting as far as I'm concerned. That's great, thanks for sharing. Hey, you know what? Nowhere in the Terms of Service does it say you have to engage in them. Lucky you! From: vampy Backbite That’s right a molested survivor would really have a problem with age play. Second Life can be a great place for fun sex but there is a line IMO. And what's the line? Stuff you don't like? Name a virtual lifestyle, a vocal number of residents will find it offensive. So what? From: someone If it looks like child porn... it probably is. Imagine what goes on in their RL's. If they like it in SL, they like it in RL. OK, so anything that occurs in, say, a film, probably really did occur? So because it looked like the White House was destroyed by a giant alien laser in Independence Day, it probably was? Images are always totally accurate depictions of reality? Wait, l so because I play World of Warcraft, I must like killing orcs in RL? And if I play Grand Theft Auto, I must enjoy stealing cars? And If I play Madden, I must enjoy playing football in real life? Keep going with that logic, see where it gets you. From: Colette Meiji On private sims and clubs cataring to that stuff , long as it was clearly marked so the rest of us wouldnt have to see it - maybe Wait, you have to see it? Is someone forcing you at virtual gunpoint to go into every store in Second Life? From: Corvus Drake If anything, by reporting ageplayers in SL you're just slowing down people who need help getting it than actually helping anything. Actually, it's worse than that. Since the FBI is America's primary domestic counter-terrorism agency, by tying up their time with your moral outrage you're in essence supporting Al-Qaeda. Personally, I find the people who constantly defy the spirt of Second Life - which, by the way, is freedom, not your morality - in the forums much more offensive than anything that goes on in-world. The imposition of their morality on "My World, My Imagination" would be much more a threat to SL than anything I'm doing in my private area (which, of late, largely consists of responding to IMs and doing interviews). If they force LL to change it from Second Life into the Close-minded Life, the platform is doomed. They'd have to change the slogan to "Our world. Our Moral Outrage."
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08-01-2006 10:40
lets just face it,
HUMANS ARE FUCKED UP
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08-01-2006 10:42
From: Billybob Goodliffe lets just face it,
HUMANS ARE FUCKED UP (and taste good with buffalo sauce)
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08-01-2006 10:46
From: Corvus Drake (and taste good with buffalo sauce) this gives shishka bob a whole new meaning 
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Corvus Drake
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08-01-2006 10:49
ROFLMAO I think some people have been appalled today. They always taste better appalled. I'd have brought up toilet fetishes but that's just not appropriate for the dinner table. 
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08-01-2006 11:09
From: Corvus Drake ROFLMAO I think some people have been appalled today. They always taste better appalled. I'd have brought up toilet fetishes but that's just not appropriate for the dinner table.  I don't want to know how you know what the hell all these loony toones fetishes are.
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08-01-2006 11:14
Dolcett makes me hungry!
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08-01-2006 11:28
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08-01-2006 11:42
From: Liona Clio Here's another thing I think gets missed in these threads: you are responsible for your own behavior. You don't sexplay in RL with children anymore than you slice rump roast in RL off your lover...and it should be self-evident that you don't force yourself, sexually or otherwise, onto anyone. People, in their righteous zeal, tend to forget that there's another side to "Don't Be a Predator". That side is "Don't Be a Victim". If you're on SL, and don't like what you're seeing, Log Off. Take responsibility for your own personality.. <3 <3 <3 <3
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08-01-2006 11:44
From: Cindy Claveau <3 <3 <3 <3 Yeah, me too.
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08-01-2006 11:45
From: Phedre Aquitaine Yeah, me too. we all <3 you, remember its in the TOS 
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Matt Newchurch
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08-01-2006 11:46
What if, and I'm just spitballing here...they combined Gorean stuff with Dolcette stuff?
Could we work furries into it? YOUNG furries?
Edit to posit that it could be called 'Vorean'
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08-01-2006 11:57
From: Cindy Claveau <3 <3 <3 <3 Signed. It's like Liona's living in my head.
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