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Ageplay more evil than Dolcett?

Athena Sterling
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08-01-2006 08:00
However twisted both ageplay and dolcett might be... I would much rather know that the people who truly have such cravings as these are exploiting an online RPG to satisfy these desires, than to hear about them on the local or national news about how they were caught experimenting with them in FL...

If two adults want to pretend to be furries, kids, dead, or whatever, at least its two consenting adults. Nothing in this game can truly be forced… if you don’t like what you see, hear, or experience; logoff or teleport your pixilated butt somewhere else. It’s that simple.

After all, it’s a game, we are human (mostly), and its all about fun…

But I’ll tell you this, if my FL neighbor starts cutting his grass in a furry suit, I will start tossing watermelons at him!
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Corvus Drake
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08-01-2006 08:04
wow, Florida must have issues :P
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Athena Sterling
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08-01-2006 08:15
FL - first life... but its possible Florida is just as bad.
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Corvus Drake
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08-01-2006 08:19
I think the reason Dolcett hits home is because of the passe attitude of the women who become "stuck pigs" as his toons often call them.

"Oh well, my number was picked....I don't want to die, but I DID enter the drawing. I hope everyone enjoys eating me!"

That's a bit more disturbing than the drawings and probably has a lot to do with it.
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Ewan Took
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08-01-2006 08:20
Never heard of it until this thread. So silence was due to ignorance for me. I googled and well, it's a bit gruesome.

Surely there can't be that many women willing to participant in this thing? To me it's like cows having sexual thrills thinking about the abattoir. On SL harmless but horrible, but role playing it in RL? If the ulitmate thrill is the death, I'd worry what might happen in the heat of momment.
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08-01-2006 08:23
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The line is highly individual for each person. I have some kinks I cannot tolerate in my presence, so I leave if they come up. I don't think, for the most part, that my particular code should apply to them, though there are exceptions (issues of consent that simply do not come up in SL, but could conceivably do so in FL.)

And I wouldn't presume to speak for all molestation survivors, but I have little problem with ageplay myself; I prefer not to watch it done but I don't run screaming.


The line is individual, that is true... however, there does come a point when one person't sexual fantasy becomes my call to the FBI.

If it looks like child porn... it probably is. Imagine what goes on in their RL's. If they like it in SL, they like it in RL.
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Aodhan McDunnough
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08-01-2006 08:26
From: Corvus Drake
I think the reason Dolcett hits home is because of the passe attitude of the women who become "stuck pigs" as his toons often call them.

"Oh well, my number was picked....I don't want to die, but I DID enter the drawing. I hope everyone enjoys eating me!"

That's a bit more disturbing than the drawings and probably has a lot to do with it.


You have a point there. In all the other similar art I've seen the victim is not passive in the way depicted by Dolcett.

You may have hit something there. There is a similar, albeit much weaker, undertone that I felt when I saw the Eloi moving in a trance in the movie The Time Machine (old one).
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Colette Meiji
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08-01-2006 08:27
Age play - particuarly Adult avs having sex with children and teen avs - is a virtual "RP" of something that in RL is too common and has hurt many people. Including many of your fellow residents.

Rape RP would be along the same line , I would think.



Canibalism / and that Vore stuff (there was a vore club sexual attraction of wathing animals eat each other) is a much less common fettish.


The impact of any fetish is proportional to the number of people involved in it.

I personally have a strong adversion to both those kinks the OP mentioned.

Though Im fine with consensual sex play that leaves both adult partners healthy after. BDSM, furries, etc.
Corvus Drake
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08-01-2006 08:27
From: Burnman Bedlam
The line is individual, that is true... however, there does come a point when one person't sexual fantasy becomes my call to the FBI.

If it looks like child porn... it probably is. Imagine what goes on in their RL's. If they like it in SL, they like it in RL.



Not necessarily. Personally, I've taken a bite out of a slave or two in SL, but if I found out someone was doing that to women IRL I'd give them a taste of their own medicine.

Indeed, the appeal for many people is that BECAUSE they don't like it IRL, they love it in SL.
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Corvus Drake
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08-01-2006 08:30
From: Colette Meiji
Age play - particuarly Adult avs having sex with children and teen avs - is a virtual "RP" of something that in RL is too common and has hurt many people. Including many of your fellow residents.

Rape RP would be along the same line , I would think.



Canibalism / and that Vore stuff (there was a vore club sexual attraction of wathing animals eat each other) is a much less common fettish.


The impact of any fetish is proportional to the number of people involved in it.

I personally have a strong adversion to both those kinks the OP mentioned.

Though Im fine with consensual sex play that leaves both adult partners healthy after. BDSM, furries, etc.



People RP rape and ageplay privately in their bedrooms as much if not more than the actual occurrences happen. It just happens to be more public in SL.

And tbh I'm a bit offended that you label being furry as a sex fetish. One can be furry and chaste.
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Burnman Bedlam
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08-01-2006 08:31
From: Corvus Drake
Not necessarily. Personally, I've taken a bite out of a slave or two in SL, but if I found out someone was doing that to women IRL I'd give them a taste of their own medicine.

Indeed, the appeal for many people is that BECAUSE they don't like it IRL, they love it in SL.


BDSM/Gorean RP, as much as people want to think as "master/slave" is still consentual. Sexuality with children is certainly a much greater offense.

Besides... I personally don't care if it's two consenting adults "acting out" sexuality with images of children. I'll let the FBI decide what's worth investigating.
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Colette Meiji
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08-01-2006 08:34
From: Corvus Drake
People RP rape and ageplay privately in their bedrooms as much if not more than the actual occurrences happen. It just happens to be more public in SL.



No way in hell are there more rape fantasies and age play IRL than actual rapes andl child molestations. Id love to see your statistics otherwise.

As to the furry thing - I think D/S can be chaste too - this discussion was on sexual kink -- and many furries would qualify.
Corvus Drake
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08-01-2006 08:34
From: Burnman Bedlam
BDSM/Gorean RP, as much as people want to think as "master/slave" is still consentual. Sexuality with children is certainly a much greater offense.

Besides... I personally don't care if it's two consenting adults "acting out" sexuality with images of children. I'll let the FBI decide what's worth investigating.



Please don't tie up one of the most overworked departments in the FBI with garbage that they'll conclude as being two consenting adults and an image that is distinguishable, by any reasonable person, from being actual sex with children (thus satisfying the entirety of the law). If anything, by reporting ageplayers in SL you're just slowing down people who need help getting it than actually helping anything.
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Corvus Drake
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08-01-2006 08:36
From: Colette Meiji
No way in hell are there more rape fantasies and age play IRL than actua rapes andl child molestations. Id love to see your statistics otherwise.

As to the furry thing - I think D/S can be chaste too - this discussion was on sexual kink -- and many furries would qualify.



You couldn't use a statistic there, most people don't share what happens in their bedrooms.

But I'd say there are more people NOT affected by these issues than affected, at least directly. And many, many of them will roleplay it. so really it's a logical impossibility to say that actual rape and molestation happens more often than the fantasy thereof.

Interesting insight on the state of the human conscious, that.
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08-01-2006 08:39
From: Corvus Drake
Please don't tie up one of the most overworked departments in the FBI with garbage that they'll conclude as being two consenting adults and an image that is distinguishable, by any reasonable person, from being actual sex with children (thus satisfying the entirety of the law). If anything, by reporting ageplayers in SL you're just slowing down people who need help getting it than actually helping anything.


You're right. I'll simply notify the media.
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Corvus Drake
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08-01-2006 08:40
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You're right. I'll simply notify the media.



Go for it.

Of course.....the way people learn to accept things is constant media exposure....

damn dude, you're screwed.
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08-01-2006 08:42
From: Corvus Drake
Go for it.

Of course.....the way people learn to accept things is constant media exposure....

damn dude, you're screwed.


I don't think the courts of public opinion will support and uphold child rape or the roleplay thereof.

I also don't think that LL would prefer that sort of media hit, nor would their investors.

This sort of thing should be absolutely rooted out of SL.

If I see child sexuality in SL, I will report it to LL. If I come across it again, I will contact the media.
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Cindy Claveau
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08-01-2006 08:43
From: Corvus Drake
Please don't tie up one of the most overworked departments in the FBI with garbage that they'll conclude as being two consenting adults and an image that is distinguishable, by any reasonable person, from being actual sex with children (thus satisfying the entirety of the law). If anything, by reporting ageplayers in SL you're just slowing down people who need help getting it than actually helping anything.

I don't want to derail this thread more than it is, but this is tangentially related.

I banned a resident from an adult club the other day when they showed up as a child avatar. I visited with them briefly and realized they took it very casually - admitted they'd had (pixel) sex with others while dressed as this child and then claimed they were really a "fairy" (no wings, obviously a child with cute little petticoats & pigtails, not any fairy I've ever seen). I asked them to change to another avatar and they refused, so out they went. Their parting shot was that it was too bad I was "prejudiced" (only they couldn't spell it).

I was very uncomfortable with the whole idea, even though it's probable that they were, indeed, a RL adult. I struggled with myself over banning them but in the end, I wasn't in the mood to tamper with a very firm line written into the club rules posted at the door: "no age play". And to me, wearing a little girl avatar IS age play whether you're behaving as a child or not. I didn't AR her, as she really didn't do anything against the TOS in general -- her only violation was to flirt with the club rules. But that was enough.

If it were a store or semi-PG area I would not have cared, but I'm wondering now how others would handle the situation given the same conditions.
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08-01-2006 08:47
From: Burnman Bedlam
I don't think the courts of public opinion will support and uphold child rape or the roleplay thereof.

I also don't think that LL would prefer that sort of media hit, nor would their investors.

This sort of thing should be absolutely rooted out of SL.

If I see child sexuality in SL, I will report it to LL. If I come across it again, I will contact the media.


Burnman, before you go any further type 'age play' into search forums and check out the background of this topic. All what you are saying has been done ad nauseum.
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08-01-2006 08:48
I don't really need to go any further, do I? I've pretty much made my point.

From: Ewan Took
Burnman, before you go any further type 'age play' into search forums and check out the background of this topic. All what you are saying has been done ad nauseum.
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08-01-2006 08:52
From: Burnman Bedlam
BDSM/Gorean RP, as much as people want to think as "master/slave" is still consentual. Sexuality with children is certainly a much greater offense.

Besides... I personally don't care if it's two consenting adults "acting out" sexuality with images of children. I'll let the FBI decide what's worth investigating.


*nausea*

You know, I'm a sadist, but I don't strike people in anger. I'm a submissive but I don't allow myself to be bullied. And ageplayers don't fuck children.
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08-01-2006 08:53
ehh I am old fashioned, most of the fetishes out there now are really wierd and bizarre to me.
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08-01-2006 08:53
Cannibiaism is an oddity, and there was a case of it happening in Germany either last year or the year before that rocked both Germany and the UK. The gist of it was that a guy in Germany posted an ad on a website that dealt with canninbalism and the ad was answered by a British man. The Brit went over to Germany to meet the German guy, and yes the poor bastard was eaten - or at least parts of him were eaten (i don't think the German had time to eat all of the Brit), and yes the Brit did lose his life, but it highlighted something that had never been known in the public knowledge of Europe before, there were people that actually did want to be eaten by another human. Where the uproar came into being was that neither the authorities here in Britain or over in Germany had a fucking clue how to deal with the problem. They were aware of the fact that they could not bring murder charges up because the victim had agreed (and they did have documented proof of this), they could not file any charges to do with the act of cannibalism because Germany did not have any laws that forbade it (I do not know if the UK does or does not have any either, but since it holds no interest for to be eaten (apart from in the oral sex sense but that is not being eaten literally) I never bothered to look into it). They were not even sure they could bring a manslaughter or unlawful killing charge because the British guy had agreed to being killed and eaten, for the record I do seem to recall they did nail the guy on someting in the end, but whether he went to jail or a secure hospital I don't know.

Can dolcett be seen as bad? Hard to say since as I said above there are definately people in the world for whom it does hold a very real interest and desire on both sides. Do I condone this in way shape or form, not a fucking chance!

Ageplay on the other hand, this appears to be an ever more grey area than dolcett. It seems to be wholly wrong for those that play it out as adults having sex with kids for all the right and obvious reasons, but what about the ones that play it out as the kids that are having sex with adults, what does it say about them? Is there something wrong with their minds? Maybe they suffered something like that as children and somehow their minds accpeted it and seek to replay some such enjoyment that they got in the past (quite why that would be the case the gods alone know). It could simply be harmless fun to them, some fantasy that parallels the rape fantasy a lot of women admit to having - being violated forcably but wholly within a controlled and consenual environment. Alas I see too many unknowns and too many variables in this to be able to find the answer as to whether ageplay is evil or not, and I doubt I ever will find those answers.

I know my feelings on both issues, I know how I view both but I do not have all the information one would need to be able to judge people on them, afterall it seems that each person that gets involved with one or the other would need to be judged individually based on circumstance, and we just can not do that.
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08-01-2006 08:55
From: Phedre Aquitaine
*nausea*

You know, I'm a sadist, but I don't strike people in anger. I'm a submissive but I don't allow myself to be bullied. And ageplayers don't fuck children.


They do violate the TOS and mock a very serious thing.

They should be weeded out of SL.

That's all there is to it.
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08-01-2006 08:56
From: Phedre Aquitaine
*nausea*

You know, I'm a sadist, but I don't strike people in anger. I'm a submissive but I don't allow myself to be bullied. And ageplayers don't fuck children.

your a sadist as well?
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