Irish Gay Group Banned From St. Patty's Day Parade...Again

Just redundant.

Still missing the point

I think the point is you don't understand racism and are using a strawman explaination to try and make a point.

That's not new for Reitsuki.

Damn, that is really cool.

Maybe you could take a post or two and tell us what it is like to be a member of the super majority. Do you make a lot of money to?

Do you have any non-white friends?

Please, I just want to fully understand what it is like to be you. You are absolutely correct. We have neglected your kind for far to log. Your day has come. It is time for the recognition you so richly deserve.

Tell us, what is it like to be white, male and straight in America?

We could just play the SL Eddie Murphy bit from the 80s and make it faster.

It's like rolling around in a big pile of money and eating icecream for breakfast.

Neither is actually racist, any more so than Lifetime: Television for Women is sexist - it's not. As I said, "White Entertainment Television" is not in and of itself racist. That was not the problem - it's not the label. It was the fact that no other groups at all were being represented on television by the major television networks - only white people, only white stories, only their experiences. The problem still persists today, but it is less acute now that there are other options.



You clearly lack any concept of what racism is. Black History month (or White History Month, or Polish History Month, or the Oktoberfest) is not racist. "Oppressive Cracker History Month" or "Spic Showcase" would be racist labels. Something celebrating one group is not racist, no matter which group it is - even white people. White people, however, have not historically played well with others which is why other smaller, less powerful groups have fought back. White people didn't want non-white people in their schools, or to be able to vote, or to be able to marry white people, or to work in their businesses - but all that had to change. Those things were racist, not a month celebrating the history of one culture.



Agreed, it is just a shame you have no understanding of what racism even is.



You clearly don't grasp the concept based upon your statements here.

I'm honestly stunned that you resort to such convoluted arguments to justify something that is very simply racist.



I myself am a member of a minority in this country. That doesn't give me the right to do things that would be considered bigotry if done by others and claim that they're not by virtue of being a member of a minority that's been given a hard time. Two wrongs never make a right, no matter what the history is.



That's a whole lotta justification going on there. "White Entertainment Television" would be very racist, as it would be targeted at a specific race and exclusionary of others. Everything's not fine on my side of the fence. If you make anything specifically about race it's racist by definition. Period. No one gets a free pass in my book, no matter how hard a time they've had. It's hypocritical to complain about racism by responding with racism. It's not about culture. Black culture is all over popular media, music, sports, politics, and everywhere else. It's time for people to stop feeling sorry for themselves and rise above. The cycle of bigotry will never end until people stop using race as a qualifier. There are no exceptions and no excuses.



Nice try, but you're quite incorrect. As an atheist I can't even hold a political office. Blacks can, and very high ones at that. While atheism is not a race, it's definitely a minority that's discriminated against. People can't tell just by looking at me as happens with race so it's more of a corrolary to being gay. The point is, I'm quite familiar with discrimination, thanks.

Yes, it is sexist.

You could easily hide being an atheist, there is no comparision. The fact you even dare to make such a comparision proves your limited grasp of the issue.

No, it is not sexist. It is providing entertainment for a specific demographic. It does not exclude men from watching it, there are not only women shown on the channel. It recognizes that men and women do have divergent interests. Calling Lifetime sexist is just ridiculous.

I think this is the main point of the whole thing. All that stuff about racism and homophobia is beside the point.

It's a parade where the Irish in the community come out and say "We're Irish!" If it's like St. Paddy's day parades in my area, local community organisations like the police, the little league and whatever have their Irish members march under banners like "Irish Local 452" and "Irish Police Officers." In that context, if there are local community GBLT groups with Irish members, who also wish to march under a banner, to deny them their place in the parade is simply discriminatory.

In Canada, (and probably Ireland too), denying them would be a black and white violation of the Human Rights Act (sort of like the American Bill of Rights), and is plainly illegal. You simply wouldn't be allowed to deny them the right to be in the parade unless you denied all those other people the right to their own individual banners as well and marched as a "big blob."

Do the Union groups get pasted for having a socialist agenda and just "using" the parade to further their own evil union ambitions that have nothing to do with being Irish? what about the cops? Aren't they perpetuating a stereotype of the "Irish Cop" that has nothing to do with being "truly" Irish? If being Irish can be about being in a Union or being a cop why can't it also be about being gay? Are there no gay Irish? How is having gay people in a parade going to "ruin" the parade exactly?

They GBLT exist in the community as a group, they are Irish, they wish to celebrate their "Irishness," case closed.

LOL


Is Lane Bryant discriminating against skinny people?!!?!?!?! OMGZ get the Dept of Justice to the nearest Mall!

BET and Lifetime are not racist or sexist respectively.

Being FORCED to watch BET and Lifetime would be.

A racist action is a form of opression. If all African-Americans were FORCED to watch only BET..THAT would be racist.

And Cruel....

Yeah but I like UPN, that Veronica Mars is sassy!

Sorry, but no. Racism is simply the belief that race is a main determining factor of human characteristics and traits. There doesn't need to be any opression involved for something to be racist. The same is true for sexism.

Sorry. No. And stop oppressing me.

By your definition of racism, which is woefully incomplete, anything that recognizes characteristics or traits of a particular race would be racist. For example, black people have a higher rate of sickle cell anemia.

Here are a handful of definitions of what racism actually is, and they all share the commonality that it is about oppresion and discrimination:

Racism or racialism is a form of discrimination based on race, especially the belief that one race is superior to another. Racism may be expressed individually and consciously, through explicit thoughts, feelings, or acts, or socially and unconsciously, through institutions that promote inequality between races.

The inherent belief in the superiority of one race over all others and thereby the right to dominance.

The belief that one 'racial group' is inferior to another and the practices of the dominant group to maintain the inferior position of the dominated group. Often defined as a combination of power, prejudice and discrimination.

personal (attitudes/beliefs/behaviors), institutional (policies, laws, regulations) and social/cultural (beliefs, customs) that subordinates others based on physical characteristics involves use of power plus privilege

The stigmatising of difference along the lines of ‘racial’ characteristics in order to justify advantage or abuse of power, whether economic, political, cultural or psychological.

is a phenomenon in which people mistreat, discriminate against, dislike or even hate, have disdain for, or regard as inferior other people based on their real or perceived race. The term is almost always used pejoratively, with accusations of racism being very common but with few describing themselves as racist. The term racialism is sometimes favored as a less negative term by those who hold certain beliefs about other races which they believe to be scientifically justified.

I love it when you talk sexy like that.

One major difference is that religious affliation (or lack of a belief in God at all) is a choice. I am not genetically Catholic, I choose whether or not to participate and share in that set of beliefs. The same for athiesm and any religion. Discrimination on that basis is no more justified, but an inherent difference is choice.

When simply being yourself and living your life is a battle, there's no such thing as picking them.



Neither is rascist in and of themselves, but if either carries content attacking people based on their race they would be. Celebrating the culture of one group does not automatically denegrate another. Nor does organizing any form of entertainment by group magically prevent other groups from watching it.

I'm genetically Jewish-- and athiest by choice.