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Yes they do.

Yes, I don't understand why people fail to see this. I suppose we are blind to those things that are under our nose.

Yes, it is. Because the white culture is dominant, and anybody who asserts their pride in being top dog is implicitly taking a racialist viewpoint. In my country, pride in being white is virtually a badge of racism.

There is all the difference in the world between being part of a minority and celebrating your culture if that culture is being swamped, and being part of a dominant majority and celebrating your strong culture to the detriment of others.

In the UK, as an example, the Welsh have been a minority that has been persecuted through the ages. There is a Welsh Nationalist Party. It is a perfectly respectable political party which aims for independence from England. There is also an English Nationalist Party. It is full of skinheaded racialist thugs, and is held in contempt by all decent people.

That is the difference. So tell me you are proud of being white, and I will tell you something that might get me banned from the forums, so I won't say it.

"White Entertainment Network" would be racist.

"Black Entertainment Network" is just as racist.

well they'd both be pretty fucking boring anyways.

As a point in case, no race on earth has made television REALLY worth watching. Just goes to show you, we're more alike than you think...

People choose what they like Chip. They watch the programming they enjoy. If it is all grouped together in a useful manner doesn't that make sense? I watch the Western channel when when I want to watch a Western. I watch BBC to see British programing. It is not about being force fed something, it is about choice, and giving people what they want. I watch very little TV but I enjoy the fact that when I am looking for a cooking show to watch, I know I can always turn to food network.

90% of television programming is white entertainment. Welcome to America.

well that was sorta my point

I think they're afraid of "catchin' the gay"

Thank you. It is really that simple. Justifying it by saying it's okay for members of minorities to do simply because they're a minority doesn't make any sense. It's racism and it will never end until everyone stops using skin color as a qualifier. I honestly don't understand why some people have trouble grasping that concept.

The claim that things like BET aren't racist because everything else is white by default is the same logic Christians use when trying to get ID into public schools by claiming science is part of the "atheist agenda". They're bogus arguments

Nothing about racism is simple. I am honestly stunned that you resort to such simplistic arguments about this topic. It is intellectually dishonest to claim that BET, or Black History Month, or things like the United Negro College Fund are racist, and to come back with "eeeeh but White Entertainment Network" would be racist.

Black people and other minorities have had to fight like hell to be recognized in this country. They have had to fight to have their history recognized in schools, to have their stories told on television and in movies, and to be recognized as a legitimate part of society. When schools only teach history from a European-caucasian perspective, it is White History Month 12 months out of the year. Black people have had to fight like hell to be represented as anything other than the slaves that Europeans brought. The same thing for Hispanic Heritage Month. When I was in school that was the only time I saw much about my own culture.

In and of itself, "White Entertainment Television" is not racist. The reason that notion is offensive is that the sheer amount of oppresion and lack of representation on television, in movies, in politics, etc.. is what has forced groups to band together to get their voices heard and their stories told. When television networks wouldn't show very much of anything except what interests white middle America, BET was formed to show a different perspective and to serve a demographic starving for representation as more than just sitcom fodder. Even today the major networks are not even close to diverse, with the exception of UPN. Asians especially are horribly represented on television. I imagine as their numbers continue to grow in the US, you will see movements similar to what has happened in with Hispanics. I am glad you don't think there is a need, but why would you? Everything is fine on your side of the fence.

The reason you don't understand and cannot grasp the concept is you do not face racism in any fundamental way.

I'm proud of being white. I'm proud of being straight. I'm proud of being male.

I am none of the following: racist, homophobe, sexist.

I try to fight for EQUAL rights for all races..all genders, all orientations. You like to have sex with trees, go for it.. animals its a cruelty issue, we won't go there.

I am against the following: BET. Black/womens/hispanic/martian/homosexual/etc history week/month.

Those institutions are racist in their foundation, putting one race above another. Television is not 'white.' it is simply the product of our ENTIRE culture. History is not white. Its the history of our ENTIRE culture.

Perhaps I should mention that several black friends of mine agree with this statement? One friend in particular despises black history month, saying it should just be interwoven in or there should be a white and male history month too, to balance..

It would be wonderful if it were not needed and it were all interwoven, but it isn't. Until it is, there is a very real need for it. The ideal would be for it to be representative of many cultures - the reality is that it is not.

It isn't need, thats the point. All the current culture brings about is little Autum Ashantes.. open mouthed racists..

Aye Begora! May your arse be in heaven five minutes befar the Devil knows yer gay!

and may the cock rise up to meet ye!


on a side note --love your name

Where do you live? I want to visit.

Well, that current culture seems like a problem. As long as minority groups make consistent efforts specifically to remain separate from "everyone else", I don't think they will ever be fully integrated into mainstream culture. It seems that many minority groups no longer really want to merge into the mainstream culture and society.

This is a very complex topic because while differing cultures and human variations are things worth preserving and acknowledging, on the other hand, it prevents your society from combining in a way that provides that complete feeling of "American" unity. (Or any other nation's unity..)

Throughout history it was generally geography that preserved such differences and cultures, now, with the US being the most diverse nation on the planet (correct me if I'm wrong)... there's no longer that physical separation anymore. So how do you preserve differences and cultures without it invoking that innate human reaction to fear or avoid things that are different? I sure as hell don't know.

Or, is it even worth preserving them here? Entire cultures don't die out very easily unless you're talking about very long terms. The sources of those differences--other countries separated by physical distances--are still in the world out there. Should American culture continue to be a giant mix of ALL cultures, as it has always been? (Until perhaps recent history?) Or should we start lots of branch-offs, splitting everyone off into various little minorities to preserve this vast number of different cultures?

If one racial group doing a thing is racist, then another racial group doing the same thing is racist. If one is fine, the other is fine.



None of which excuses racism. Fight the correct fight, don't sink to the level of racism. (insert race here) History Month is just saying "Ok, it's all about MY race this month"... Which is racism.



I said nothing about need. I say fight the right battles. Racism, no matter how well intended, will not end racism - it will fuel it.



I grasp the concept. I call the concept wrong. There is a difference.

Can someone please explain to me how BET is racist?

Would "The White Entertainment Channel" be racist?

Do you think 90% of television programming is racist? Do you think Telemundo is racist? Is Oxygen sexist? Is the food network insensitive to the feelings of the obese and those suffering from eating disorders? Is the Golf Channel guilty of boring us all to death?



This is one of the dumbest arguments ever on these forums which is saying a lot, and some of the smartest people around are looking like ignorant ivory tower passive racists.

I would personally think BET to be racist only because it shows black people in the same ole shucking and jiving coonerific ways as usual, and it isn't even owned by Black people.

Not me. But then I don't think BET is racist.

Ah, but that doesn't answer the question.

If I made a channel, and called it "The White Entertainment Network", would it be racist?