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Kendra Bancroft
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05-13-2006 02:41
From: Champie Jack Elections are held Nov 2008, GW ends his term Jan, 2009 Do you think it's a lie? Did you believe that the US was at war with Iraq for 12 years before we sent in ground troops in 2003? Did you believe that Al-Qaeda was waging a war against the US for 9 years before the Sept 11 attacks? More importantly midterm elections are Nov 2006. I believe that the US crippled Iraq with sanctions and that peior to 9-11, Colin Powell and Condi Rice were saying that Saddam was "boxed" in and that Iraq posed no danger. Do you actually believe that there's an Al-Qaeda? Did you know that Al-Qaeda is a CIA created term? Terrorists don't belong to some large James Bond style underworld organization, Champie - Bush's war in Iraq has solidified it and caused it to grow --but they are not the well organized uber gruppe that Bush and his parade of loonie bin neocons make them out as. No. I believe they started in earnest against the Bush administration because of his ties to the Saudi Royal Family.
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Kendra Bancroft
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05-13-2006 02:43
From: Tsukasa Karuna I'd have to agree. The 29% proves if nothing else, that far too many people hate the prez. And its only going to sink lower as more IED's go off in iraq, more people lose their loved ones, gas prices go higher, the national debt goes into freakin orbit, we learn more about NSA spy programs that we didn't before... use your imagination.
Congratulations, Mr. President. You've single handedly f**ked up the usa. What are you going to do next? and that poll was taken before we found out about data mining every US citizens phone records. One can only imagine what his poll numbers really are --I'm guessing more like 19%.
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Tsukasa Karuna
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05-13-2006 02:52
From: someone Did you believe that the US was at war with Iraq for 12 years before we sent in ground troops in 2003?
Did you believe that Al-Qaeda was waging a war against the US for 9 years before the Sept 11 attacks?
No and no. What bugs me about the president right now is that he's so completely TRANSPARENT!! Does he think the american people are truly stupid enough to not tell what's going on? Its an insult to everyone's intelligence!
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Elspeth Withnail
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05-13-2006 07:42
From: Champie Jack I agree with you completely, but I worry that too many conservatives will "give up the fight" because of all the negative press and poor poll numbers. My concern is that Republican disunity could lead to voter apathy. What, you mean fewer than one in four eligible Americans might vote? Unimaginable! From: Tsukasa Karuna No and no. What bugs me about the president right now is that he's so completely TRANSPARENT!! Does he think the american people are truly stupid enough to not tell what's going on? Its an insult to everyone's intelligence! Never underestimate the power of apathy, or laziness. Lots of, maybe most people, like to be told what to think... they find a religion, party, ideology, or cartoon that seems to fit their particular set of headsnakes, and then let someone else do the driving. This is why the human race is ultimately doomed. Glad I'm not one.
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Einsman Schlegel
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05-13-2006 08:12
From: Champie Jack it's always good for someone to inject some jackassery into an otherwise reasonable thread. Gonna go cry to a res mod now? Aww poor baby. You'd just like to stifle every bit of free speech because it doesn't fit your own view. You're just a purely whiney Rep like the rest of them. When WW3 breaks out because of this President's mind bogling stupidity we'll have people like you to blame for blindly following an idiot. Go call for a res mod now boy.
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Paolo Portocarrero
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05-13-2006 08:25
From: Einsman Schlegel Gonna go cry to a res mod now? Aww poor baby. You'd just like to stifle every bit of free speech because it doesn't fit your own view. You're just a purely whiney Rep like the rest of them. When WW3 breaks out because of this President's mind bogling stupidity we'll have people like you to blame for blindly following an idiot. Go call for a res mod now boy. A-men.
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Joy Honey
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05-13-2006 08:37
From: Champie Jack Can YOU describe in a few sentences how the NSA program is illegal? Can YOU describe in a few sentences how the NSA program is legal?
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Tsukasa Karuna
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05-13-2006 09:08
Because its the NSA!. They are above the law, beyond it. They are the men in black!
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05-13-2006 09:13
From: Tsukasa Karuna Congratulations, Mr. President. You've single handedly f**ked up the usa. What are you going to do next? Live in luxury and impunity for the rest of his life in the company of his peers.
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Juro Kothari
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05-13-2006 10:36
From: Tsukasa Karuna Congratulations, Mr. President. You've single handedly f**ked up the usa. What are you going to do next?
A: "I"m gointa Disnarland!"
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Musuko Massiel
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05-13-2006 10:42
"So what?"
A leader in a democratic system may only lead with the approval of the population. If the population does not approve of a leader, they should not remain leader.
Musuko.
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Champie Jack
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05-13-2006 10:49
From: Einsman Schlegel Gonna go cry to a res mod now? Aww poor baby. You'd just like to stifle every bit of free speech because it doesn't fit your own view. You're just a purely whiney Rep like the rest of them. When WW3 breaks out because of this President's mind bogling stupidity we'll have people like you to blame for blindly following an idiot. Go call for a res mod now boy. Why would I cry to a resmod? I've never solicited the help of a resmod or a linden in the forum onr in the game-world. last I checked, I have no authority to STIFLE anyone or anything. How could I possibly keep you from saying whatever you want? The only dsensible reason for someone to write DICTATOR in an otherwise reasonable thread, is to be antagonistic (and I refer to that as jackassery). If WWIII happens you can blame people like me if you want. I'm not sure that will get you the food and shelter you'll need in that event. Best of luck with your victim mentality.
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Champie Jack
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05-13-2006 11:34
From: Joy Honey Can YOU describe in a few sentences how the NSA program is legal? from the USAToday: "The U.S. Supreme Court has drawn a legal line between collecting phone numbers and routing information, and obtaining the content of phone calls. In a ruling in 1979, the court said in Smith v. Maryland that a phone company's installation, at police request, of a device to record numbers dialed at a home did not violate the Fourth Amendment."
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Champie Jack
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05-13-2006 11:39
As for the rest of the article, there is still debate about what the FISA Act allows and under what circumstances. I've heard some say that FISA is being violated and I've others say that the NSA is in compliance with the FISA Act. That's why I ask the question.. Please explain how YOU know the NSA program is ILLEGAL, because many experts are still debating the issue. Please offer me the best information you have.
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Strife Onizuka
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05-13-2006 11:41
*comes up for air* remember to keep things civil & with in forum guidelines. *disapeers back beneath the waves*
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Noh Rinkitink
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05-13-2006 11:43
From: Musuko Massiel "So what?"
A leader in a democratic system may only lead with the approval of the population. If the population does not approve of a leader, they should not remain leader.
Musuko. Fortunately, Congress doesn't normally base major decisions (like on whether or not to start impeachment procedures) on just polls, especially ones where the bias of the questions isn't readily known.
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Champie Jack
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05-13-2006 11:43
From: Paolo Portocarrero A-men. If you think I have violated your sacred right to forum niceties then please report me to the RESMODS.
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Kendra Bancroft
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05-13-2006 12:18
From: Champie Jack from the USAToday: "The U.S. Supreme Court has drawn a legal line between collecting phone numbers and routing information, and obtaining the content of phone calls. In a ruling in 1979, the court said in Smith v. Maryland that a phone company's installation, at police request, of a device to record numbers dialed at a home did not violate the Fourth Amendment." what does that have to do with illegal wiretaps made without FISA warrants?
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Tsukasa Karuna
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05-13-2006 12:19
From: someone Fortunately, Congress doesn't normally base major decisions (like on whether or not to start impeachment procedures) on just polls, especially ones where the bias of the questions isn't readily known. Not sure what you mean by bias, the approval ratings are based on a single question: "Do you approve of G.W. Bush's handling of affairs?" Seems pretty neutral to me. Same approval rating stuff that we've been doing for years. On that note, i think Mr. Bush also has the lowest approval rating that we've ever seen a president sink to. Don't quote me on that one though.
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Kendra Bancroft
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05-13-2006 12:20
From: Champie Jack As for the rest of the article, there is still debate about what the FISA Act allows and under what circumstances. I've heard some say that FISA is being violated and I've others say that the NSA is in compliance with the FISA Act. That's why I ask the question.. Please explain how YOU know the NSA program is ILLEGAL, because many experts are still debating the issue. Please offer me the best information you have. name these experts or provide links. The consensus is that your President is a criminal acting with no constitutional authority.
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Kendra Bancroft
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05-13-2006 12:22
From: Tsukasa Karuna Not sure what you mean by bias, the approval ratings are based on a single question: "Do you approve of G.W. Bush's handling of affairs?" Seems pretty neutral to me. Same approval rating stuff that we've been doing for years.
On that note, i think Mr. Bush also has the lowest approval rating that we've ever seen a president sink to. Don't quote me on that one though. Nixon and Bush Sr. had lower --but not for nearly as long a duration. Bush Jr. is within one point of having the lowest. Clinton's approval rating while he was being impeached was 65%.
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Champie Jack
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05-13-2006 12:23
From: Kendra Bancroft what does that have to do with illegal wiretaps made without FISA warrants? From: Kendra Bancroft From: Originally Posted by Champie Jack Can YOU describe in a few sentences how the NSA program is illegal?
FOURTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.' It has nothing to do with FISA, it has to do with your claim that the Fourth Amendment protects you from the NSA program of retrieving phone records
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Champie Jack
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05-13-2006 12:33
From: Kendra Bancroft name these experts or provide links. The consensus is that your President is a criminal acting with no constitutional authority. Refer to the article in the USAToday that I linked. Your claim of FACT is actually the debate that is being waged. Your claim of ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that there is no constitutional authority iis interesting. Please tell us how you know this yet Lawyers, Intelligence experts, politicians, journalists, and people all over the world continue to debate the legalities of the issue. IF YOU KNOW, TELLS US IN AS MUCH DETAIL PLEASE.
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Tsukasa Karuna
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05-13-2006 12:43
Heres what would be neat, is if, as a citizen, you could start a class action lawsuit against the prsident. There would be a trial, etc. If he fails to defend his presidency, and a majority of people obviously hate him, then he is impeached solely for that reason.
I've probably just opened up a huge can of worms here, but worms can be fun sometimes.
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Joy Honey
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05-13-2006 12:44
Champie, will you please tell us why you think it is ok for the President to disobey laws that he signs? http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/
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