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Kendra Bancroft
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05-12-2006 07:31
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/05/11/bushs-approval-ratings



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Ronin Giles
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05-12-2006 07:54
The people hath spoken *haha*!
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Kendra Bancroft
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05-12-2006 07:57
From: Ronin Giles
The people hath spoken *haha*!



You just concentrate on dumping Blackwell.
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Noh Rinkitink
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05-12-2006 09:21
I have a serious question for the people (particularly the OP) crowing about Bush's approval ratings.

So what?

I mean, he's constitutionally ineligible for another presidential run (and before anyone starts in on the "it won't matter, he'll take over with force" angle, if he tried and succeeded in doing that, public opinion wouldn't matter anyway), so come January 20th, 2009, he's no longer an issue. What the people may or may not think about him won't change the fact that he's in office now, and that's unlikely to change.*

Mind you, I'd rather a more thorough breakdown of the questions asked, in particular exact wording. To quote Disraeli, "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics".




* Let's be realistic about the whole "impeach the bastard" push. With the makeup of Congress, it's highly unlikely to even get to the point of a serious proposal. I don't see** a drastic change in the makeup, in the 2006 elections, to make success any more likely.

** Like Dennis Miller, though, I could be wrong.
Champie Jack
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05-12-2006 09:36
From: Noh Rinkitink
I have a serious question for the people (particularly the OP) crowing about Bush's approval ratings.

So what?

I mean, he's constitutionally ineligible for another presidential run (and before anyone starts in on the "it won't matter, he'll take over with force" angle, if he tried and succeeded in doing that, public opinion wouldn't matter anyway), so come January 20th, 2009, he's no longer an issue. What the people may or may not think about him won't change the fact that he's in office now, and that's unlikely to change.*

Mind you, I'd rather a more thorough breakdown of the questions asked, in particular exact wording. To quote Disraeli, "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics".




* Let's be realistic about the whole "impeach the bastard" push. With the makeup of Congress, it's highly unlikely to even get to the point of a serious proposal. I don't see** a drastic change in the makeup, in the 2006 elections, to make success any more likely.

** Like Dennis Miller, though, I could be wrong.


Noh, the Dems will start the impeachment procedures if they manage to gain a majority in the House and Senate this November. The low poll number matter a great deal to the Democrats for this reason.

The worst thing you could do is underestimate you opponent. If you believe Bush is immune then you are part of the problem.
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as someone noted elsewhere,
05-12-2006 09:50
that pole was taken the day -before- the usa today story released yesterday.;)

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Noh Rinkitink
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05-12-2006 09:59
From: Champie Jack
Noh, the Dems will start the impeachment procedures if they manage to gain a majority in the House and Senate this November. The low poll number matter a great deal to the Democrats for this reason.

The worst thing you could do is underestimate you opponent. If you believe Bush is immune then you are part of the problem.


Sure, they can start impeachment procedures, but unless they (and those who may agree with them even if not sharing the same party) get 2/3rds of both houses of Congress (Article I, Sections 2 and 3), it won't succeed.

And, for the record, I don't agree that Bush Jr. has met the "high crimes and misdemeanors" requirement for an impeachment, but I don't care for him and many of his policies, either. I just don't get "frothing at the mouth" about the guy, unlike a not-small portion of the online left seem to do.

(And, from a historical viewpoint, said portion of the online population predicted that in both of the last two presidential elections the Democratic Party candidate would win by a landslide; groupthink can be a significant problem. All in all, I remain somewhat skeptical of predictions that the Republican Party's hold on Congress will go away in the next congressional election, and especially go away so much that both houses are controlled by the DP enough to meet the 2/3rds requirement for impeachment.)
Kendra Bancroft
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05-12-2006 10:00
From: Noh Rinkitink
I have a serious question for the people (particularly the OP) crowing about Bush's approval ratings.

So what?

I mean, he's constitutionally ineligible for another presidential run (and before anyone starts in on the "it won't matter, he'll take over with force" angle, if he tried and succeeded in doing that, public opinion wouldn't matter anyway), so come January 20th, 2009, he's no longer an issue. What the people may or may not think about him won't change the fact that he's in office now, and that's unlikely to change.*

Mind you, I'd rather a more thorough breakdown of the questions asked, in particular exact wording. To quote Disraeli, "there are lies, damned lies, and statistics".




* Let's be realistic about the whole "impeach the bastard" push. With the makeup of Congress, it's highly unlikely to even get to the point of a serious proposal. I don't see** a drastic change in the makeup, in the 2006 elections, to make success any more likely.

** Like Dennis Miller, though, I could be wrong.


For starters it means his bullshit policies are not representing the interests of the vast majority.
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Kendra Bancroft
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05-12-2006 10:02
From: Champie Jack
Noh, the Dems will start the impeachment procedures if they manage to gain a majority in the House and Senate this November. The low poll number matter a great deal to the Democrats for this reason.

The worst thing you could do is underestimate you opponent. If you believe Bush is immune then you are part of the problem.



Just like Nixon --it will be the Republicans who finally bring him down.

On a side note I hope every Democratic candidate for office runs on Impeaching Bush as their main platform plank -They'll sweep into office.
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Noh Rinkitink
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05-12-2006 10:06
From: Kendra Bancroft
For starters it means his bullshit policies are not representing the interests of the vast majority.


Again: so what?

The way those who don't care for the guy trumpet things like polls act, it's like they expect that alone to have an impact on the actual situation.

From: someone
On a side note I hope every Democratic candidate for office runs on Impeaching Bush as their main platform plank -They'll sweep into office.


Or not.

I don't think I've mentioned it here, before, but I would actually like for there to be a reasonably noteworthy Democratic Party. I'm no fan of the 2-party system, but I'm even less of a fan of that system consisting of one party who can get things done, even if I may not agree with those things, and the other party too busy pointing fingers and placing blame to actually be doing anything, or even give specifics on what they want to do*. When the primary argument gives the appearance of consisting of "he's a big poopyhead", I'm not impressed, to put it mildly.




* Appointing Howard "I hate Bush, and so should you!" Dean as DNC chairman doesn't exactly inspire confidence that there is concern in the party's upper heirarchy for actually presenting a positive counter to the Republican Party.
Champie Jack
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05-12-2006 10:10
From: Noh Rinkitink
Sure, they can start impeachment procedures, but unless they (and those who may agree with them even if not sharing the same party) get 2/3rds of both houses of Congress (Article I, Sections 2 and 3), it won't succeed.

And, for the record, I don't agree that Bush Jr. has met the "high crimes and misdemeanors" requirement for an impeachment, but I don't care for him and many of his policies, either. I just don't get "frothing at the mouth" about the guy, unlike a not-small portion of the online left seem to do.

(And, from a historical viewpoint, said portion of the online population predicted that in both of the last two presidential elections the Democratic Party candidate would win by a landslide; groupthink can be a significant problem. All in all, I remain somewhat skeptical of predictions that the Republican Party's hold on Congress will go away in the next congressional election, and especially go away so much that both houses are controlled by the DP enough to meet the 2/3rds requirement for impeachment.)


I agree with you completely, but I worry that too many conservatives will "give up the fight" because of all the negative press and poor poll numbers. My concern is that Republican disunity could lead to voter apathy.
Champie Jack
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05-12-2006 10:12
From: Kendra Bancroft
Just like Nixon --it will be the Republicans who finally bring him down.

On a side note I hope every Democratic candidate for office runs on Impeaching Bush as their main platform plank -They'll sweep into office.


You're right about the Republicans being the party that brings down Bush.
Luciftias Neurocam
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05-12-2006 10:14
From: Noh Rinkitink

** Like Dennis Miller, though, I could be wrong.


A poor analogy, as Dennis Miller is almost always wrong.

From: Noh Rinkitink

* Appointing Howard "I hate Bush, and so should you!" Dean as DNC chairman doesn't exactly inspire confidence that there is concern in the party's upper heirarchy for actually presenting a positive counter to the Republican Party.


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Einsman Schlegel
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05-12-2006 10:29



Does that matter to our Dictator? Opps, can I say that?

In other words.. no.

Me senses rebellion :p
Champie Jack
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05-12-2006 20:42
From: Einsman Schlegel
Does that matter to our Dictator? Opps, can I say that?

In other words.. no.

Me senses rebellion :p


it's always good for someone to inject some jackassery into an otherwise reasonable thread.
Nyoko Salome
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awww... offended by the 'd' word??
05-12-2006 21:42
From: Champie Jack
it's always good for someone to inject some jackassery into an otherwise reasonable thread.


here... see if you can buy it from here...
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/05/11.html#a8245
btw, this is that raging cnn liberal, jack cafferty.
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TSR-Cafferty-Dictatorship-5-11-06.wmv
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/TSR-Cafferty-Dictatorship.mov
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Paolo Portocarrero
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05-12-2006 21:43
Time to wag the dog, I reckon. Nothing like a manufactured act of domestic terrorism to boost poll ratings.
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Champie Jack
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05-12-2006 22:37


Can YOU describe in a few sentences how the NSA program is illegal?
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05-12-2006 22:40
From: Paolo Portocarrero
Time to wag the dog, I reckon. Nothing like a manufactured act of domestic terrorism to boost poll ratings.


I think it's great that you participate in the SL forums despite your handicap.
Selador Cellardoor
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05-13-2006 00:05
As an outsider I ask: How much longer does his term run?

The reason for my question is that my Yahoo news this morning tells me that enriched uranium has been discovered in Iran. I don't know why, but that scenario seems vaguely familiar.
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05-13-2006 00:15
From: Selador Cellardoor
As an outsider I ask: How much longer does his term run?

The reason for my question is that my Yahoo news this morning tells me that enriched uranium has been discovered in Iran. I don't know why, but that scenario seems vaguely familiar.


Is it deja vu all over again?
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Champie Jack
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05-13-2006 00:16
From: Selador Cellardoor
As an outsider I ask: How much longer does his term run?

The reason for my question is that my Yahoo news this morning tells me that enriched uranium has been discovered in Iran. I don't know why, but that scenario seems vaguely familiar.


Elections are held Nov 2008, GW ends his term Jan, 2009

Do you think it's a lie?

Did you believe that the US was at war with Iraq for 12 years before we sent in ground troops in 2003?

Did you believe that Al-Qaeda was waging a war against the US for 9 years before the Sept 11 attacks?
Kendra Bancroft
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05-13-2006 02:33
From: Champie Jack
Can YOU describe in a few sentences how the NSA program is illegal?


FOURTH AMENDMENT [U.S. Constitution] - 'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'
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Kendra Bancroft
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05-13-2006 02:34
From: Selador Cellardoor
As an outsider I ask: How much longer does his term run?

The reason for my question is that my Yahoo news this morning tells me that enriched uranium has been discovered in Iran. I don't know why, but that scenario seems vaguely familiar.



He won't complete his term.
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Tsukasa Karuna
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05-13-2006 02:39
I'd have to agree. The 29% proves if nothing else, that far too many people hate the prez. And its only going to sink lower as more IED's go off in iraq, more people lose their loved ones, gas prices go higher, the national debt goes into freakin orbit, we learn more about NSA spy programs that we didn't before... use your imagination.

Congratulations, Mr. President. You've single handedly f**ked up the usa. What are you going to do next?
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