Women Social Conservatives

Gosh, who do I know who's done that? Can't quite think of the name....hold on, it'll come to me......

Now show me where LIVE and VIABLE FETII abortions are part of the the pro-choice agenda at this late staqe.

Removing a doomed to die fetii hardly qualifies as "pro choice = pro-kill it til it exits the vagina"

and your evidence of this is?

Kendra you are smarter than, this. I am not even going to go there with you if you are going to play stupid. There have been how many trials, admittals and testimony. This is all public knowledge.

Viability is at 23-24 weeks. There is no reason to murder a fetus that is alive in the womb, except to release the parents of parental responsibility. If the fetus is that damaged it will die naturally after birth or during the birth process. There is no way to justify infantcide.

Then please support it.

In a healthy fetus yes --the instances you linked to were not of healthy fetii.

Here, since you have forgot the past 10 or so years.

I don't see anything here that supports

"continually pursues and engages in relationship with women in subservient positions to himself, often offering them compensation to remain quiet, or intimidating them to maintain secrecy."

Ahh, well now we are at the value of life. Laws should not be made based on the value of a human life. Life should be life. Leaving that much wiggle room in law will support unethical behavior. At any rate, I have supported my point on why I personally, am unable to consider myself Pro-Choice.

It's a label. Your stance on abortion is indistinguishable from my own.

So you are willing to supporting banning all abortions if keeping abortion legal means supporting late term abortions?

I'd rather be pro-choice than anti-choice myself, if it's just a label.

No.

The reason I don't oppose "late-term abortion" is that currently there is no legislative language that places the protection of the mother as being paramount.

Get me some language that protects the life of the mother first and then I'll support banning of abortions in the third-trimester. (except in the case of fetii that are known to be nonviable)

That's news to me and a far cry from your usual "keep your hands off my body" and "it's a baby when god breathes the breath of life into it or the mother decides it is" rants.

Well, Miss Bancroft, if you are so opposed to late term abortion, what exactly are you doing about it? The barring of gays from the St. Patty's day parade rightfully brought letters of condemnation from you and put you in the street in protest. How many letters have you written to Hillary or your state government demanding a bill that outlaws late term abortion with provisions for the health of the mother (even though doctors testified before Congress that at that point in a pregnancy there were safer ways of helping the mother than abortion that preserved the life of both mother and child which is why that was absent in the bill that Congress passed)??

-Kiamat Dusk

Kendra,


Have you actually read how these procedures are done? The woman is still giving birth. There is no reason to end the live of the fetus before it completely exits the birth canal. The only reason to do this is to spare the parents the parental responsibility and/or save money. If the fetus isn't viable what is the justification for terminating it in the birth canal? If the fetus is not viable it will die anyway.

What makes it a rant, Kiamat? That you disagree with it? Is it a "rant" if it's quoted directly from a Supreme Court decision?

All this, together with our observation, supra, that throughout the major portion of the 19th century prevailing legal abortion practices were far freer than they are today, persuades us that the word "person," as used in the Fourteenth Amendment, does not include the unborn.

So how about, I follow the definition of person used in the 14th? Since it's, you know, the law and all?

Well, Mr Dusk, if you must know I write letters to my representatives on all manner of topics. I make sure to write at least one letter a day to at least some representative or another, and most often send out dupes to whole bunches of 'em at a time.

I've written letters to them, I've written LTTE to many newspapers. I'm quite prolific!

In fact I've written many many on this very subject. Did you know that many hospitals DON'T have a mother's life first policy? I'd sure feel better about banning abortions "late term" if it was legally mandated that Doctor's consider the mother first. Is that asking too much? I know Mommy's aren't as cute and special as babies --but can we do that?

Then why does it matter?

We can each ask each other the same question all day. I think it matters because it is unnecessary, unethical, immoral, not scientificly sound, and disgusting.

All these abortion threads I've been through with you and this is the first time all this is coming up. Maybe it's because Eboni is female so you don't get that knee jerk "if you don't have a womb, STFU" reaction?

I am in complete agreement that the life of the mother trumps everything. (also extreme health issues that may not be life threatening-like blindness)

Still, your current position doesn't stand up to your previous statements. If it's not a child-who cares what trimester you kill it in?

-Kiamat Dusk

Soooo how 'bout them female socialistic conservative types ??? Are we winning yet? Hey Kia let's repeal their right to vote.

Well, if Anne Coulter says we should-then dammit, that's all the reason I need!

-Kiamat Dusk

I care ::hrug::: and Eboni was the first person to ask me directly that particular question.

So....should I get in the kitchen and bake a fetus pie?