Women Social Conservatives

The scenario:

A group of people are discussing politics. One of the women in the group states that she is a social conservative. She then states her disapproval of gay people, rap music, pro-choice advocates and so on. Would it be okay to ask her to go make coffee and leave the important discussions to the menfolk? Or would it be impolite to call her on her hypocrisy?

who the fuck let her out of the kitchen in the first place????



why do brides wear white?







































so the dishwasher matches the washer and dryer!!!!

Or better yet, treat her the same way you would anyone else and engage her in a debate, see how she backs up her convictions.

If I was to treat her the same way I would anyone else, I'd call her on her hypocrisy.

if you don't beleive in treating her as you would a man, you are against equal treatment of men and women

now excuse me if I go to the front of the line for a lifeboat...

works both ways you know

It's not hypocrisy unless she is a radical feminist, or was twenty or more years ago. If she's simply happy with the way things are now, and doesn't see any reason for change, that's not hypocritical. It's conservative. Conservative does not mean you want to regress to the middle ages, no matter what certain people here might try to claim.

That said, while Rap sucks ass, it has nothing to do with social conservatism really, and the woman is silly for trying to make a case about it.

So only radical feminists can be accused of hypocrisy, but conservatives can't? A person in Massachusetts who wants to ban gay marriage and retroactively invalidate the marriages already in place wouldn't be a conservative according to your definition. Social conservatives aren't just opposed to current change, they advocate a return to traditional values. Only thing is those values don't seem to apply to them.

I wonder how badly I will get it if I go tell Eboni to "go in the kitchen and make some coffee or sumfin" next time she enters a polotical thread

that would go over well...

I'm still having trouble finding the hypocrisy here. Unless she's secretly a rap loving, lesbian abortion doctor, it simply sounds like she's a woman with an opinion with which you don't agree and you're looking for the proper way to shout her down, rather than engaging her in meaningful discussion.

A better example of a hypocrite would be say...a staunch Liberal, defender of free speech and diversity shouting down a woman who dares voice an opinion contrary to his own by telling her to "leave the important discussions to the menfolk". See how that works? His actions run contrary to his claimed ideals.

Besides-if you spent five minutes listening to most rap music, you'd see that most women with any self-respect Liberal or otherwise would find it highly offensive. God knows I don't want either of my daughters growing up thinking that "bitch" is an appropriate term for a woman.

-Kiamat Dusk

No, that's not what I'm saying, and I think you know that. In the case of a person in massachusets (God help them), as long as they lived there before the gay marriage law was enacted, it's fine for them to oppose it and not be a hypocrite - They are advocating NOT changing the laws.

Social conservatives aren't just opposed to current change, they advocate a return to traditional values.

Wrong by virtue of oversimplification. "Traditional Values" is meaningless nonsense. What tradition? How traditional? No, thats only what it means to you.

As I said before, the problem is that you don't accept views that don't fall to one extreme or another.

What if my traditional values trace back to Ancient Greece ?

That's what I'm getting at with "what traditions" and "how traditional".

If I had my way, my traditions would date back to the norse... I want to go a vikin', drink mead with my brothers-in-arms, be gone for months at a time, plunder and burn villages to the ground, etc. Those were the days!

Probably better than telling them the following...


Get back in your trailer! And stay off your sister! Don't you know this ain't West Virginia?!

The hypocrisy is that Social Conservatives don't apply their conservative values to themselves. They are against other people being gay, against other people getting divorced, against other people's sex lives, drug use and so on. Rush Limbaugh tells us drug offenders are criminals and should be in jail, all the while being one himself. But his conservative values don't apply to him, he's ill. The social conservative who sponsored the federal Defense of Marriage Act had been divorced 6 times. He's all for defending other people's marriages. Women social conservatives travel around the country telling other women they should stay home and raise children. See the hypocrisy there?

Being a defender of free speech and diversity wouldn't stop me from telling a self confessed social conservative to "hush honey and go get the menfolk some coffee". No one is shouted down. Diversity isn't about forcing people to behave one way or another. If she really is a social conservative, that's how she wants to be treated. Unless of course she's really a feminist and thinks she's equal to men. But then she wouldn't be a social conservative, would she? Funny how her conservative values seem to stop at her own skin.

And your definition, Reitsuki, of conservatives just being people who like things the way they are and don't see a need to change them isn't at all accurate. That would mean that conservatives are for gay marriage in Massachusetts, and for Roe vs. Wade. But that's not the case. Social conservatives are for returning to what they like to call traditional values, only as long as those values don't apply to them. Remember Bob Barr, conservative anti-abortion congressman? It was okay for his wife to have an abortion, but not any other woman. Heck, look at our president. The social conservatives who bemoaned Bill Clinton's private life (before and after being elected president) are really, really, quiet about George W Bush's, aren't they? His history of alcohol abuse and illegal drug use is never discussed by those who derided Clinton's "didn't inhale" admission.

And as for rap music, there's good rap and crappy rap and offensive rap. Having your daughters growing up thinking "bitch" is appropriate wouldn't be any worse than having them grow up thinking they aren't equal to men. But that's radical feminism isn't it, of course Kiamat, you're equal to men, though aren't you?

Well I am against people getting divorce because mainly these people end their marriages and expect the IT department to jump and change their name when they ask. Yeah, we are playing Doom. We don't care about your name change.


I would consider myself conservative but I don't have a problem with gay people. I am not pro-choice (just because they are just too far left it is animialistic), but I think abortion should be legal before viability, affordable, and accessible. I think women deserve better reporductive options. I think Rap sucks, but I will always love real HipHop, the shit most people never hear.


So if you aren't a "feminist" you don't think you are equal to men? LOL Wow, this forum gets more idiotic as each day passes. I'm not a feminist but I think all people are equal.

Nope.

In the first example, it's a new law. Unless they moved there after the law was in place, they are still fighting an existing change. It's not history, dead and burried.

In the second example, there are a lot of reasons to oppose Roe V. Wade, not all of which are social.

In either case, I repeat that you reject people who don't hold views strictly to one extreme or the other. I'm moderate, for example... I'm for some things, against others. I don't feel the need to be all or nothing, and that's not hypocritical. Everyone draws their own line in the sand.

Are you scared a woman might just be able to debate you and hand your balls back to you on a platter?

I think that's what a lot of men are afraid of.

Hey Eboni, Why don't you go in the Kitchen and make us some coffee or sumfin? Us Menfolk wanna talk about stuff yer delicate feminine mind could never understand. Now be a good little woman and go bake some cookies...

How did I miss this?


You pay all my bills and I will make you coffee and whatever else.

I don't think Sansarya would like that much...

but that wasn't the point, paying bills or not, how would you react to being told to leave the room so the "menfolk" could have some serious conversating?

Oh, I have a slight feeling you ignore many of my posts so that would be easy to miss

I'm not sure how being conservative equates to this. Although, honestly if I was told that I would laugh and leave. If they felt like that, I really wouldn't want to talk to them. Why do people try to force themselves on people who aren't interested in them.

You can be a feminist and be a conservative if, by feminist, you mean female empowerment, free will, and equality. I believe that the sexes are equal and I'm raising both my daughters with the clear knowledge that they can be anything they want to do regardless of their sex.

Being a social conservative doesn't make a woman a doormat.

As for the President's past behavior, Bush, unlike Clinton, has owned up to it and didn't try to hide behind "I didn't enhale".

The DOMA was designed to set in law the idea that marriage is between a man and a woman not to prevent divorce.

-Kiamat Dusk

good point, but the distinction that I took out, was that it was a woman

a man could stay and chat who had the same politics, but a woman should be asked to leave so the men could get down to bidness

imagine for a second that you did like or love or have some bond with the men in question, and had known them long enough to call them asshole to their face

how would you react to being told your delicate feminine mind couldn't handle the conversation?

that is really what is bugging me about this thread

certainly agree with that outlook, however, that view does fly in the face of "conservatism"

remember, "tradition" has a woman in the home and out of politics

"conservatives" were against giving women the right to vote...