Women Social Conservatives

Thing is, though, you can't, because if you're a social conservative you prefer keeping society as it was, which includes the idea that women (and men for that matter) have certain defined roles, and for women those are submissive. That's just the way it is. Either you're not conservative regarding gender roles, or you're a doormat.

What tradition, and how traditional?

The vilification of hypocrisy is a typical liberal value, anyway. I doubt it would have much impact on a conservative.

At moments like this, I ask myself...


"What would Ann Coulter do?"

kill all muslim leaders and convert the rest to christianity?

Modern Western US tradition.

Mostly right, Reitsuki. Conservative means not favoring radical change, not wishing to regress things. However, it's not hypocritical to change one's views. Someone is hypocritical based on what they think and do at the same time, not based on what they once think and did. I really don't want to meet anyone who hasn't changed a single opinion in 20 years.


I'd ask him what his Ph.D. was in.


That's actually not really right, Ordinal. If you are a true conservative, and not one of these flashy I-have-no-military-service neocons running about, you believe in slow, gradual change from the way things now are. So, turning everything overnight into the 1950's wouldn't be your cup of tea either.

To be fair, "conservative" means "wanting to keep things as they are" rather than "were"; I'm not going to go back and edit that post but it's a fair correction.

"Are" is still bad though.

Did anyone care to ask what she even meant by "social conservative"? Do you think she might have been using a general description and not a specific, defined idealogy with which she absolutely can't diverge from lest some smarty pants call her a hypocrite? Does anyone care?

Yeah, that was the point of the original post. I guess my balls are safe from you then.



That is the definition of pro-choice. You are pro-choice, despite what you want to call yourself.




Yes. The founding idea of feminism is, wait for it..... Women and men are equal! If you believe that, you are a feminist. So, Eboni, it seems you are a pro-choice feminist.



Actually it does. Sorry, but you're proving my point here. Social conservatives are only conservative for other people. You want them to be forced to adhere to the socially conservative roles, but not you.



Bald. Faced. Lie. Bush has never owned up to it. Bush lied about his criminal record. Bush has never, never, never owned up to anything. Now prove I'm wrong. I dare you.



The DOMA? Oh you mean the Defense of Marriage Act. Yup, nothing in there keeping the people who passed it from divorcing. Nothing in there affecting them at all. That's why I used it as an example of hypocrisy. Let's be socially conservative for other people. Effing hypocrites.

I agree Rap music is generally bad, and if someone calls me a bitch or a whore he better duck pretty quick or be missing a few teeth in short order, and women can definitly have their own opinions, and anyone who thinks differently needs to drag his knuckles into the 21st century.

You....but....how.... Oh, nevermind. Next you'll be telling Rei he can't possibly be a conservative or a Republican because he's gay. You're your own worst enemy. Carry on.

-Kiamat Dusk

Wouldn't be the first time. Even on these forums.



I would respectfully suggest that, given that you are NOT a social conservative, when someone who is says what they mean, their opinion carries much more weight than yours.

Sounds like the only person stuck in the past here is Mikey.
Oh, and BTW-choosing to stay at home and raise the kids does not make a woman (or a man for that matter) submissive or a doormat.

-Kiamat Dusk

PS: My submissive would also add that being a submissive doesn't make you a doormat, either.

You have missed my point entirely. Social conservatives tell us that we should return to traditional values, but those values don't apply to themselves. Newt Gingrich, for example, claiming to be pro-family while cheating on his wife. Mr. Bennett writing his Book of Values while gambling in Vegas.

I've never told Rei he couldn't be a conservative or Republican. I have many gay Republican friends, heck I vote Republican fairly often. There is a difference between a fiscal conservative and a social conservative.



Sure, if a social conservative, like Mr. Gingrich or Mr. Bennett or Pat Robertson told the truth. But telling us that if we have to post the Ten Commandments in public buildings and then advocating the murder of politicians you don't like is hypocrisy. The idea that social conservatives are more likely to tell the truth isn't upheld by statistics. After all, the divorce rate for Christian Fundamentalists is much higher than that of Atheists. And if you don't think there's a connection between dishonesty and divorce....



I would never say that a stay-at-home mom is a doormat. Social conservatives believe women should be doormats, not me. Social conservatives advocate the submission of wives to their husbands, not me. Social conservatives tell us that women shouldn't have authority over men. And if you're a woman who claims to be a social conservative, why shouldn't I expect it to start with you? Put your values where your mouth is.

All I'm saying is that if you claim to be a social conservative, as with any claim like that, if you want others to believe you, you have to not just talk the talk, but walk the walk yourself. Don't get caught ripping off department stores if you claim to be be honest. If you're screwing around on your wife, don't preach to us about family values. Don't pass laws discriminating against gay people (because we're a threat to the family) if you yourself can't stay married in the first place. It's like calling yourself a fiscal conservative and piling up the biggest debt in the country's history.

Hypocrisy. Apply your values to yourself before you go passing laws forcing them on others, that's all I ask.

No, the current pro-choice agenda is abortion is legal until the fetus has more than the head out the vagina. I think abortion should be illegal after 22 weeks since fetuses are viable now at 23-24 weeks. I can't support whole sale infantcide. Medically there is no reason for a late term abortion except to remove parental responsibility from the parents. It is not possible to remove the products from conception in the 2nd and 3rd trimester with out inducing labor, even in cases where they are chopping fetuses to bit in the uterus, they still have to induce labor to dialate the cervix large enough to remove the parts. Give the choice of supporting late term abortions to keep early abortions, I would go pro-life over pro-choice without even thinking about, thus my personal beliefs are not in step with the Pro-Choice movement. Also I agree with this group more than any pro-choice group but I am realistic about the needs of people.

Thank goodness we have men like Clinton who support womens rights while being a sexual pedator. Woot! There are craptastic morals all the way around. *kick* get off the high horse

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How was Clinton a sexual predator?

Is this a rhetorical question?

No.

It might be interesting to see that statistic in comparison with a statistic showing the rate of marriage between the two.

That said, the rest of your little comment there is painting the majority with the bad examples set by a minority. Bad idea to go there, overall. It's like MAD.



No, we don't. No, we don't. No, we don't. In order. In all three cases, SOME of us may. We all do not, however, no more than, say, all feminists think that heterosexual sex is always rape, and all men should be castrated.

Now, call me a liar again.



And, sure, if she said ALL WOMEN SHOULD BE SUBMISSIVE BITCHES MAKING PIE FOR THEIR MAN!!!!!!, yes, she would be a hypocrit. Did she say that? Does she believe that? I'm guessing no. "Social conservative" does not define every belief rattling around inside of your skull, nor does every social conservative have the same beliefs. That's what I keep trying to get through to you.

A married man in a powerful position that continually pursues and engages in relationship with women in subservient positions to himself, often offering them compensation to remain quiet, or intimidating them to maintain secrecy.