Thanks ACLU: War Memorial To Be Torn Down

I don't get the reference.

Sorry it was obscure and I was being mainly sarcastic. On a tangent, I was referring to the fact that Sheehan hasn't bothered to mark her son's grave after all this time but had time to ..... See told ya it was a tangent, I wasn't trying to stir really

Two things then:

One, please tell me what YOU mean when you use the "not from religion" thing. (was the intent of my first question)

Two, why does that soldier not have a marker after all these years unless he meant nothing, compared to his squad mates (all died in the same event) who have markers (three crosses and one star of david).

The ACLU Founders were made up of 2 Comministic men .. they are still living bye the rule lol

They are here to weaknes our system ect ... Just like a Terroist .. and should be treated as such ...

I put them in a Class just like Sadam / and the extremist ... Osama bin Laden and i have never taken them seroisly ....

this is my thoughts Do your home work ?

The ACLU Founders were made up of 2 Comministic men .. they are still living bye the rule lol

They are here to weaknes our system ect ... Just like a Terroist .. and should be treated as such ...

I put them in a Class just like Sadam / and the extremist ... Osama bin Laden and i have never taken them seroisly ....

this is my thoughts Do your home work ?

Do you have a link for that? I don't believe that's true.

Do you have a link for that? I don't believe that's true.

Here:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sheehangrave.asp

A link for his grave?
I don't feel like sparring any more Kendra, I'm in more of an asshat mode anymore. I'll see what I can dig up for ya though.

not sparring, Leck --more of a I'm shocked and wanted to see for myself.
I had a headstone up for my rabbit Natasha within 6 mos.

Sorry it was obscure and I was being mainly sarcastic. On a tangent, I was referring to the fact that Sheehan hasn't bothered to mark her son's grave after all this time but had time to ..... See told ya it was a tangent, I wasn't trying to stir really

Ah. Well, no - the family didn't shirk thier responsibility to get his grave marked in lieu of getting a little spotlight time, no.

It's an odd thing to me, a situation I dont understand. In the same cemetary there are a few plain markers, soldiers who were atheists, and a couple of other minority religions - soldiers who dies for thier country in the second world war. As I understand it, though, in this particular case the family asked that they be allowed to have a feather etched into the plain marker - were told no (there was no budget for it, which is understandable) and were told no again when they got donations together to have it done - specifially told there was rules against decorating the markers, and that the feather was a decoration only and not representative of any valid religion.

The marker never got placed, and eventually the family gave up. After learning about it, it became a symbol to me of the reason the government needs to be itself neutral to the beliefs of its citizens and allow for them when possible.

Ah. Well, no - the family didn't shirk thier responsibility to get his grave marked in lieu of getting a little spotlight time, no.

It's an odd thing to me, a situation I dont understand. In the same cemetary there are a few plain markers, soldiers who were atheists, and a couple of other minority religions - soldiers who dies for thier country in the second world war. As I understand it, though, in this particular case the family asked that they be allowed to have a feather etched into the plain marker - were told no (there was no budget for it, which is understandable) and were told no again when they got donations together to have it done - specifially told there was rules against decorating the markers, and that the feather was a decoration only and not representative of any valid religion.

The marker never got placed, and eventually the family gave up. After learning about it, it became a symbol to me of the reason the government needs to be itself neutral to the beliefs of its citizens and allow for them when possible.

Ah. Well, no - the family didn't shirk thier responsibility to get his grave marked in lieu of getting a little spotlight time, no.

It's an odd thing to me, a situation I dont understand. In the same cemetary there are a few plain markers, soldiers who were atheists, and a couple of other minority religions - soldiers who dies for thier country in the second world war. As I understand it, though, in this particular case the family asked that they be allowed to have a feather etched into the plain marker - were told no (there was no budget for it, which is understandable) and were told no again when they got donations together to have it done - specifially told there was rules against decorating the markers, and that the feather was a decoration only and not representative of any valid religion.

The marker never got placed, and eventually the family gave up. After learning about it, it became a symbol to me of the reason the government needs to be itself neutral to the beliefs of its citizens and allow for them when possible.

I'm not denying that there are really crappy things done like that, Jillian - but it's not the situation in question here.

As for what I meant... Sorta what you said as the first example. Loosely, I lump it all in with the "nobody has the right to never be offended" philosophy - in exchange for freedom to believe or not believe whatever you want, you trade the acceptance that you don't get to dictate anything about other people's beliefs.

I'm sorry about your rabbit.

Yes I know it is shocking and even when I heard about it I was shocked and dismayed. What a farce she really has turned out to be and a damned shame for the memory of her son. Just MY .02

in your very statement you contradicted yourself, (there was no budget for it, which is understandable) then you said this a few lines down "After learning about it, it became a symbol to me of the reason the government needs to be itself neutral to the beliefs of its citizens and allow for them when possible"

2) The fact that the "cross" is used symbolically to show that lives were sacrificed is offensive to me as a Jew.

**smacks head** OK - I get it, sort of the same way I feel about celebrating Columbus day, or about seeing all the memorials to Buffalo Bill.

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the government will not place a marker that the family did not want, they wanted a feather added, the DOD said no due to budget concerns. you agree that was a decent reason right?

then when they wanted to add the feather post installment the DOD said "no that defacing it is not allowed" correct?

now if they had agreed then you would have ppl who have changed religion trying to ammend the marker of loved ones. that would be a headache and an annoyance. so you see it may not have been for that reason ONLY, remember if they make an exception then the law is no longer enforcable.


now kendra i suggest we don't get into discussing the war in Iraq. nothing personal but I support it, and you strongly denounce it. so lets avoid that landmine shall we?

the government will not place a marker that the family did not want, they wanted a feather added, the DOD said no due to budget concerns. you agree that was a decent reason right?

then when they wanted to add the feather post installment the DOD said "no that defacing it is not allowed" correct?

now if they had agreed then you would have ppl who have changed religion trying to ammend the marker of loved ones. that would be a headache and an annoyance. so you see it may not have been for that reason ONLY, remember if they make an exception then the law is no longer enforcable.

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ACLU was founded on January 19, 1920. It grew out of a predecessor group, The National Civil Liberties Bureau which in turn had grown out of the American Union Against Militarism, and a soiree that was held in New York City and attended by just about every radical from the thriving New York scene of the time. The founders numbered over 60 but the bulk of the work was assumed by the following core:



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Roger Nash Baldwin - the founding, long time, director of ACLU. Born to wealth, at the time of the founding, he was deeply involved in the communist movement. As late as 1935, he gave a speech stating that his political vision was communist. During the 1940s, Baldwin would participate in the purging of communists from ACLU, against a lot of opposition, and, in the 1950s, endorsed the work of Sen. Joseph McCarthy.

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