Evolution, a myth for non-theists
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Kevn Klein
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03-07-2006 21:39
From: Nolan Nash You do stand-up as well?
*Tapdances and applauds* I've noticed several people posting here feel they have the ability to know every detail of my motives, philosophy and acts of kindness based on my opinions. Interesting, I'll note this phenomenon in my journal for later examination.
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Nolan Nash
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03-07-2006 22:06
From: Kevn Klein I've noticed several people posting here feel they have the ability to know every detail of my motives, philosophy and acts of kindness based on my opinions. Interesting, I'll note this phenomenon in my journal for later examination. Kevn, Kevn, Kevn. You've made your philosophy abundantly clear in hundreds upon hundreds of posts, many of them in triplicate or better. I think by now, most of us - yes, even those of us who read without replying much - simply because of the futility involved - have a fairly decent handle on what your philosophy is. Let's quit pretending, shall we? Next, you will likely try to set a snare by asking me to tell you what your philosophy is. Not going to happen. We both know where you stand. Which is why I find the "group think" crap so comical, coming from you, a participant in a parroting group game of "telephone", which has been going on for thousands of years, telling others that their beliefs, or lack thereof, are wrong, and "group think".
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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03-08-2006 04:47
From: Siro Mfume From: Zuzu Fassbinder At what point in the thread will the evidence supporting the original claim "The myth of evolution is clearly a religious belief for those who reject the notion of a creator" be presented?
Well there isn't any so it can't be presented. However he could at least explain his own viewpoint in his own words. Several more pages and still nothing.
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Gabe Lippmann
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03-08-2006 05:07
From: Zuzu Fassbinder Several more pages and still nothing. That's because none of you exist and it would be pointless.
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Kevn Klein
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03-08-2006 06:07
From: Nolan Nash Kevn, Kevn, Kevn. You've made your philosophy abundantly clear in hundreds upon hundreds of posts, many of them in triplicate or better.
I think by now, most of us - yes, even those of us who read without replying much - simply because of the futility involved - have a fairly decent handle on what your philosophy is. Let's quit pretending, shall we?
Next, you will likely try to set a snare by asking me to tell you what your philosophy is. Not going to happen. We both know where you stand. Which is why I find the "group think" crap so comical, coming from you, a participant in a parroting group game of "telephone", which has been going on for thousands of years, telling others that their beliefs, or lack thereof, are wrong, and "group think". How is it a snare to ask one to explain what one says is so clear? I had already asked what you think my whole philosophy is. So it is no surprise I would expect an answer.
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Kevn Klein
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03-08-2006 06:09
From: Zuzu Fassbinder Several more pages and still nothing. I'm waiting for someone to prove my statement wrong. Falsify it at your leisure. 
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Chip Midnight
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03-08-2006 06:40
From: Kevn Klein I'm waiting for someone to prove my statement wrong. Falsify it at your leisure.  And that's the inescapable flaw in the way you think. It's impossible to prove a negative. I could as easily post that there's no such thing as gravity and that we're all covered with tiny invisible suction cups and then demand that someone prove those statements wrong to my satisfaction. What would that prove except that I'm a bit of an idiot?
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-08-2006 06:45
From: Chip Midnight And that's the inescapable flaw in the way you think. It's impossible to prove a negative. I could as easily post that there's no such thing as gravity and that we're all covered with tiny invisible suction cups and then demand that someone prove those statements wrong to my satisfaction. What would that prove except that I'm a bit of an idiot? I dunno --you might be on to something.... 
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Sally Rosebud
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03-08-2006 07:11
In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it often does in other contexts. Scientific theories are never proven to be true, but can be disproven. All scientific understanding takes the form of hypotheses, or conjectures. A theory is in this context a set of hypotheses that are logically bound together. A hypothesis (from ancient Greek hypotithenai meaning "to put under" or "to suppose"  offers a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. A scientific hypothesis must be testable and based on previous observations or extensions of scientific theories. Looks like we're at a stand still unless you're gonna disprove macroevolution. 
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03-08-2006 07:21
From: Kevn Klein You are kidding, right? Even evolutionists admit humans didn't come from apes. I can tell that you've never shared a beach with French Canadiens. 
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Kevn Klein
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03-08-2006 07:44
From: Sally Rosebud In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it often does in other contexts. Scientific theories are never proven to be true, but can be disproven. All scientific understanding takes the form of hypotheses, or conjectures. A theory is in this context a set of hypotheses that are logically bound together. A hypothesis (from ancient Greek hypotithenai meaning "to put under" or "to suppose"  offers a proposed explanation for a phenomenon. A scientific hypothesis must be testable and based on previous observations or extensions of scientific theories. Looks like we're at a stand still unless you're gonna disprove macroevolution.  Disproving a belief? Sure, right after you disprove God exists. As Chip said, it's not possible to prove a negative, and macroevolution is a negative.
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Sally Rosebud
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03-08-2006 07:49
Oh, so you admit creationism is a belief, and not scientific? From: Kevn Klein Disproving a belief? Sure, right after you disprove God exists. As Chip said, it's not possible to prove a negative, and macroevolution is a negative. Perhaps look here Just remember that Macroevolution is evolution on the "grand scale" resulting in the origin of higher taxa. In evolutionary theory it thus entails common ancestry, descent with modification, speciation, the genealogical relatedness of all life, transformation of species, and large scale functional and structural changes of populations through time, all at or above the species level. Has nothing to do with the creation of the earth...if you want that argument, you'll have to start a geology thread.
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03-08-2006 07:51
I got a boner that you used taxa, Sally.
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Sally Rosebud
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03-08-2006 07:53
From: Taco Rubio I got a boner that you used taxa, Sally. teehee 
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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03-08-2006 10:20
From: Kevn Klein I'm waiting for someone to prove my statement wrong. Falsify it at your leisure.  You're the one making the claim, its your job to back it up. I'm not demanding absolute proof the way you do in similar situations. I want to hear your reasoning, if there is any. However, since you would like to see someone disprove your statement, I would like some clarification on some terms you use before I start. From: Kevn Klein The myth of evolution is clearly a religious belief for those who reject the notion of a creator. The myth of evolution - this is an undefined concept with no common useage. Based on some of your ranting, you seem to mean "macroevolution". Yet at other times you seem to include the big bang and the origin of life within your myth of evolution. For starters I would encourage you to better define what you mean by "myth of evolution". clearly - given the responses I've seen, I would say that your statement is far from clear. Based on this alone, your statement is false. However, if you wish to withdraw this term from your statement, that is fine. a religious belief - what you mean by a religious belief was discussed brefly, however, it is still not clear to me what you mean. Please provide a description including examples from the discussion and how you would place them. Note, however, that if you make the category too broad you will invalidate the meaningfulness of your statement.
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03-08-2006 10:39
taxa.
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Taco Rubio
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03-08-2006 10:49
schwing!
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Sally Rosebud
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03-08-2006 10:54
Haha, Taco's a sucker for taxa! 
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Gabe Lippmann
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03-08-2006 11:01
Only existence allows for there to be meaning.
None of you exist.
None of this has any meaning.
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Taco Rubio
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03-08-2006 11:23
From: Gabe Lippmann Only existence allows for there to be meaning.
None of you exist.
None of this has any meaning. The problem with you solipsists is you're all in my head. Also, I never got credit for starting the Altruism society. 
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03-08-2006 11:26
From: Taco Rubio The problem with you solipsists is you're all in my head. Also, I never got credit for starting the Altruism society.  lol
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03-08-2006 11:29
From: Kevn Klein Disproving a belief? Sure, right after you disprove God exists. As Chip said, it's not possible to prove a negative, and macroevolution is a negative. Macroevolution is not a Negative, only creationism, which is a step backward is.
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Eggy Lippmann
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03-08-2006 12:05
From: Kendra Bancroft I dunno --you might be on to something....  Ia! Ia! Cthulhu Ftaghn! 
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-08-2006 12:18
From: Eggy Lippmann Ia! Ia! Cthulhu Ftaghn!  Shub-Niggurath! 
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03-08-2006 12:43
 Existence is futile!
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