Why does it seem the SL population hates Christians?

Actually I'd say most of us have read and understood it.

The point is, if there was a conversation where God revoked his law that certain foods were unclean, how do we know if there aren't other conversations that revoked the rest of the Old Law? Surely you don't think God only talked the 25-30 odd times he spoke in the Bible in all of history....

"Jesus himself said ..." How does that prove this is the actual _real_ truth though rather then the truth of an ideology?

You may ask. I assume you also want an answer.

We need to be very clear about the difference between "faith" and "religion". A faith is believing it and living it, a religion is just 'going through the motions' in the hope of somehow earning favour with God if you do things right.

The gift of salvation through Jesus Christ is just that - a free gift. There is nothing we can do to 'earn' it, and it's one of the things where Roman Catholicism goes wrong. You can't "buy" salvation through doing good works, giving your 10% and going to mass 3 times a week.

ABC. Admit you are a sinner, Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and Confess with your mouth that you beleive in Him - then tell others.

Pretty, erm, fundamental truths of Christianity there.

Lewis

That wasn't Magnum, it was me.

The point is, you may be wrong. In fact, most people do their own thing and get by perfectly happy. My relationship with the God and Goddess, my facets of Deity, is such that I converse with them regularly and they give me the fulfillment that was always missing from my life when I was a Christian. My life has been better ever since, and they were the ones that told me themselves that we all see them different ways.

And you should remember that Jesus said that he was both the Son of God and God incarnate. God said he, himself, was Love. So therefore, Jesus is Love. So if Love is the way, the truth, and the light, then certainly it doesn't matter what incarnation you define Love, so long as it's Love you're following. If that's not true, then the Bible is shot on credibility, because that would mean God is not Love. Love is also not envious or vengeful, so there can be no hell, either. That's a different story though.

I think it is okay that you believe in that statement, but why condemn others who do not believe as you do? How do you know that you are right? Where in the bible does it say that Lewis Nerd is right and you must believe him? That statment above basically says all religions other than my own are false and since there are not many ways to god you are fucked. There really is no getting through to people like you? Accepting other points of view won't taint your soul or make you hellbait. What will taint your soul is HATRED which is what you espouse to anyone who does not believe as you do. HATRED is what leads to things like HATE crimes, inquisitions, genocide and holocausts. Have you EVER picked up another book aside from the bible? You might find some interesting historical facts there not covered by the bible since its what like 2000 out of date.

Yep, Its all there, and I'm looking, and still noting that you're completely dodging addressing my previous point:


Please see the context of my original post; I made it clear there that this is in no way an attack on Christians, I just like Lewis to explain how killing children and slavery are good things as permitted by the New Testament.

Regards,

-Flip

A "free gift" would mean you don't have to give up anything.

Clearly you do.

Therefore, it's not free. And not a gift, because it's not free.

It's extortion of the soul.

I must repeat my question. Why are you so sure? Are you sure you'd have the same belief if you were born in a country where christianity wasn't dominant?



Sentence doesn't make sense. I do my own thing and get by very happily. Explain it in some other way?

Jennyfur, hate is an aspect of love. We feel it because we care about what someone else is doing, and we hate what bothers us. If you replace "hate" with "fear" in your post, you'll find it makes much more sense.

Why am I not allowed to take part in this debate?

Accept Cthulhu as your personal saviour




you know it makes sense


you'll be eaten last

Good point as hate and fear often go hand in hand and do all sorts of fun stuff like start wars etc. Lest us not forget to add ignorance into that mix as well.

Heh.

God changed his mind. Interesting for someone who is suppose to be un-changing. What if he changed further... What if he approves of things you fundies say he does not approve of... like Abortions, etc?

Poor Cthulhu, you never see one of these arguments without him getting dragged into it.

Ummm no bacon!! I am SO going to hell.

Awww my alts first post.........

thought I'd out my flipside on a religious thread

There is no excuse for people who go out of their way to let you know that they don't believe in your beliefs. It's not necessary. I would abuse report them if they became insulting. Just because some Christians are nuts doesn't mean they all are. Same goes for every group. You guys are all nuts.

I get the distinct impression that Ty may be Lewis' alt. It's a common tactic to answer your own whine to start internet evangelism, there's books that tell you to do it.

See, this is why I asked. You sound as if you are merely reciting from a book of text. "ABC" etc. Where is your heart? Is it in God, or in Christianity?

I'm curious because this is where I believe my road forked from yours. I saw all the ways to shape and control my beliefs. The ways that lead away from free thought. The intolerance of, not just contradictory opinons, but just discussion itself. I felt it stifled my belief in God, and imposed artifical *human* limits on my love for Him/Her/It.

If God is truly as strict, unforgiving, and unaccepting as your religion paints him to be, then Heaven or Hell, both would be an eternity of torture and slavery. That can't be right. I will stake my eternal soul on Him being a Loving, Caring, and Understanding God. Because if he isn't, then my soul is damned no matter what I do.

And damned proud of it!

Well said.

You know, one could say that if there is a test, the Bible is it. Because to make it the foundation of your belief, to make a religion the foundation of your faith, is idolatry.

For the umpteenth time, I have no alts, just me. I am secure enough to say what I want without having to rely on a 'secret name' to boost my argument. It's a pity some of the regulars on this forum don't share that.

It's amusing how, when issues like this appear, the fact that a number of people agree on an issue is always put down to alts boosting the debate, yet the claim is never made whenever it's something non-religious.

It doesn't just happen here either. It happens in several forums I post on, every time this sort of subject comes up someone makes the stupid claim about me or someone else cross-posting with multiple accounts to 'pretend' that people agree with them.

Lewis (the only one)

Probably because it's well known that altishness is common when people try to start a religious argument for the purposes of evangelism. It really does appear in books.

Balls. It happens all the time.