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Chip Midnight
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10-19-2005 12:25
What I find interesting is some actually appear to be afraid of these kind of topics, as is evidenced by the clear attempt to derail this thread and others like it, almost as if should people believe it, it will become reality. And what I find interesting is how willing people are to overlook quackery and abandon any rational standards of evidence in an attempt to prop up their supernatural belief systems. _____________________
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Kevn Klein
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10-19-2005 12:25
A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)
I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954) I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein) A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive. (Albert Einstein, 1954) |
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Lecktor Hannibal
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10-19-2005 12:28
Kevn,
I wasn't trying to ridicule or derail the thread. I applied the theory found in the article to the forums and it was correct. Sad, but true. _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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10-19-2005 12:28
A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive. (Albert Einstein, 1954) That's humanism  _____________________
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Dianne Mechanique
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10-19-2005 12:29
Well, Goswami's work is more sophisticated than the last several "proofs" you presented, Kevn, and for that, I congratulate you. Goswami is doing what a number of scientists have done over the last thirty years: dabbling in the religious and philosophical implications of the scientific method, and what science has shown us about "the Big Questions". (Others who have done this? Alfred North Whitehead, Carl Sagan, Heinz Pagels, Thomas Kuhn, etc.) Nonetheless, Goswami's speculations remain an attempt to reconcile mysticism and supernatural "first causes" with materialist science using a holistic philosophical approach and Aristotelian logic. And as such, it's a philosophical "proof" and subject to interpretation and argument - it's not a scientific "truth" subject to verification through repeatable experimentation. Doesn't mean it isn't true; doesn't mean it is. What it means is this: it's interesting, and fun to speculate about. Furthermore, the article itself (and this thread) are kind of mislabeled in that the only "proof" provided is proof of the existence of intelligence (us) not first cause (god). When I read it, it seems that all he is arguing is something very close to the anthropomorphic principle in cosmology. Again, old idea, interesting, but hardly proof and hardly proof of God even so. _____________________
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10-19-2005 12:34
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Chip Midnight
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10-19-2005 12:49
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Ghoti Nyak
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10-19-2005 12:50
Good article. Presents the materialist view of quantum mechanics very well. -Ghoti _____________________
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10-19-2005 12:51
Anyone who's had a 2-yr old brother knows that flying-spaghetti monsters can and do exist. *feels the world righted on its axis* wheew ananda, ty! |
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Holy smokes!
10-19-2005 12:53
Renegade scientists discover new element!
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Kevn Klein
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10-19-2005 12:54
That's humanism It is? hu·man·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (hym-nzm) n. A system of thought that centers on humans and their values, capacities, and worth. Concern with the interests, needs, and welfare of humans: “the newest flower on the vine of corporate humanism” (Savvy). Medicine. The concept that concern for human interests, values, and dignity is of the utmost importance to the care of the sick. The study of the humanities; learning in the liberal arts. Humanism A cultural and intellectual movement of the Renaissance that emphasized secular concerns as a result of the rediscovery and study of the literature, art, and civilization of ancient Greece and Rome. Compared to... "A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. " They are completely different animals. |
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Renegade Scientists: A Legacy
10-19-2005 13:01
Wow, who knew renegade scientists were doing so many great things? Even as far back as the early 1800's!
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Chip Midnight
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10-19-2005 13:07
Compared to... "A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. " They are completely different animals. No, they're not. Can no one distinguish metaphor from literalism anymore? _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
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Renegade scientist builds telephone for ghosts, makes collect call to anecdotes.
10-19-2005 13:09
Wow. A must see. Tell your mom!
"The scientist was correct in assuming it would take a very sensitive apparatus to communicate with the deceased. In a series of experiments Edison and his colleagues conducted with clairvoyant Bert Reese, Edison was very close to discovering that apparatus -- the mind!" _____________________
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Renegade scientist proves reality nonexistent, "Go back to sleep," says old codger!
10-19-2005 13:12
A professor of physics at the University of Oregon and a member of its Institute of Theoretical Science, Dr. Goswami is part of a growing body of renegade scientists who in recent years have ventured into the domain of the spiritual in an attempt both to interpret the seemingly inexplicable findings of their experiments and to validate their intuitions about the existence of a spiritual dimension of life.
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10-19-2005 13:16
Dogma n. A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church. Please keep your dogma on a leash. Dogma n. An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true. -Ghoti _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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10-19-2005 13:17
hehe, one has to wonder why this machine to communicate with the dead never materialized, even after the disembodied spirit of Edison communicated to his assistants how to find it.  _____________________
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Ghoti Nyak
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10-19-2005 13:18
Dr. Goswami is part of a growing body of renegade scientists LOL. I was wondering where you were going with that rambling. -Ghoti _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
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10-19-2005 13:23
LOL. I was wondering where you were going with that rambling. -Ghoti I was constructing a paradigm of the legacy of renegade science. Its reputation precedes it.  _____________________
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10-19-2005 13:26
hehe, one has to wonder why this machine to communicate with the dead never materialized, even after the disembodied spirit of Edison communicated to his assistants how to find it. Hello. Obviously the machine can only be used by ghosts to communicate with each other. Sheesh. Think, Mcfly! _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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10-19-2005 13:29
Good article. Presents the materialist view of quantum mechanics very well. -Ghoti I love this stuff. It's fun to contemplate. My point of view is that our understanding of the quantum world is so in its infancy that ALL theories to explain its oddities are wild guesses. We currently lack the technology to get a clearer picture. I think we're going to have to wait a while before we understand the true nature of the quantum world. I feel that people like Gotswami who try to assert that our lack of understanding somehow proves mysticism are getting way ahead of themselves and doing what mystics have done since the dawn of time... trying to fill in the blanks with what they can imagine rather than what they can observe, measure, or verify. It's interesting, but it's not science. It's philosophy. _____________________
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10-19-2005 13:37
It's interesting, but it's not science. It's philosophy. It's ironic that philo/sophy literally means "love of knowledge" but in conversation means "loves imagination." It's Eris's doing, I tell you. _____________________
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10-19-2005 13:42
I was constructing a paradigm of the legacy of renegade science. Its reputation precedes it. -Ghoti _____________________
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10-19-2005 13:44
-Ghoti LOL _____________________
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