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Reitsuki Kojima
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Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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06-20-2006 14:19
From: Tod69 Talamasca
Heh, I do the same and have a Windows XP Pro system running ALMOST 24/7. I restart once in a while for maintenance reasons, I only shut down when I'm away for more than 5 hours.

OH! And add to your list "Avoid Questionable Web sites"- porn sites, warez, etc.



I don't shut down unless I'm gone for 24+ hours.

And yeah, avoiding bad websites helps... buuuuut... If you follow 2 & 3, even that isn't really going to hurt you :)
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Reitsuki Kojima
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Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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06-20-2006 14:21
From: Skye McArdle
Hey, whatever floats your boat. If you really enjoy using such a commonly used term incorrectly, that's your business.


Less that I have any particular enjoyment one way or another, more that since my phrase is word-for-word accurate, I don't really give a damn.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Skye McArdle
Resident Dragon
Join date: 26 May 2006
Posts: 132
06-20-2006 22:23
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Less that I have any particular enjoyment one way or another, more that since my phrase is word-for-word accurate, I don't really give a damn.


Ok, to finish this...

Your mention of security though obscurity:

In response to someone referencing the fact that *nix users do not have need for anti-spyware you say, Security Through Obscurity. Yay. This to me implies you consider *nix to rely on such a thing.

Now.. from Wikipedia:
In cryptography and computer security, security through obscurity (sometimes security by obscurity) is a controversial principle in security engineering, which attempts to use secrecy (of design, implementation, etc.) to ensure security.
and...
in cryptography, the argument against security by obscurity dates at least to Kerckhoffs' principle from the late 1880s put forth by Auguste Kerckhoffs. It, fairly literally translated, states that design of a cryptographic system should not require secrecy and should not cause inconvenience if it falls into the hands of the enemy.
and...
If any secret piece of information constitutes another point of potential compromise, then fewer secrets makes a more secure system. Therefore, systems that rely on secret details apart from the cryptographic key are less secure; that is, resident vulnerabilities in the secret details will render the choice of key -- simple vs. complex -- largely irrelevant.
and...
Software which is deliberately released as Open Source can never be said, certainly in theory, and in practice as well, to be relying on security through obscurity

In the article - Secrecy, Security, and Obscurity, in a Crypto-Gram Newsletter...

A basic rule of cryptography is to use published, public, algorithms and protocols. This principle was first stated in 1883 by Auguste Kerckhoffs: in a well-designed cryptographic system, only the key needs to be secret; there should be no secrecy in the algorithm. Modern cryptographers have embraced this principle, calling anything else "security by obscurity." Any system that tries to keep its algorithms secret for security reasons is quickly dismissed by the community, and referred to as "snake oil" or even worse.
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If the cryptographic algorithm must remain secret in order for the system to be secure, then the system is less secure. The system is less secure, because security is affected if the algorithm falls into enemy hands.

An article has even been written parodying MS's reliance of security through obscurity, http://bbspot.com/Features/2001/02/obsecurity_server.html

Definition:
Security Through Obscurity (STO) is the belief that a system of any sort can be secure so long as nobody outside of its implementation group is allowed to find out anything about its internal mechanisms.

There's a whole lot more out there, but it's getting late. So, looks like the internet disagrees with you. Glad that you don't give a damn.
Reitsuki Kojima
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Join date: 27 Jan 2004
Posts: 5,328
06-21-2006 07:17
From: Skye McArdle
Ok, to finish this...

*snip*

Your mention of security though obscurity:There's a whole lot more out there, but it's getting late. So, looks like the internet disagrees with you. Glad that you don't give a damn.


Yup. Thats it exactly. I don't give a damn. Never have. Word for word, security through obscurity applies to linux. I'm sorry if you read into it more than was there, but that's your fault, not mine.

Considering I already said I didn't give a damn, what was the point of that post?

To show me something I already knew?

Do you have that much free time on your hands to play "beat up the person you think is stupid on the internet"? Am I that important?
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Cristiano Midnight
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06-21-2006 08:29
From: Skye McArdle
Hey, whatever floats your boat. If you really enjoy using such a commonly used term incorrectly, that's your business.

I would also say that it's not "just me" since I was not the only person in this thread to point it out to you.


Reitsuki is using it sarcastically to mean that Linux is so secure because it is relatively obscure - people aren't constantly trying to hack it. By comparison of market share to Windows, it is obscure. The whole "security through obscurity" thing definitely takes on a different meaning in that case. You are quibbling over the "obscurity" part about open source vs closed source when his whole point in using it is to turn that much vaunted concept about open source around on itself. Reitsuiki knows exactly what he is doing.

You will notice as Firefox has become more popular, so have the number of reported vulnerabilities in it, open source and all.
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Cristiano Midnight
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06-21-2006 08:29
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Am I that important?


Yes you are. Moby said that we are all made of stars.
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Skye McArdle
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06-21-2006 17:50
From: Cristiano Midnight
Reitsuki is using it sarcastically to mean that Linux is so secure because it is relatively obscure - people aren't constantly trying to hack it. By comparison of market share to Windows, it is obscure. The whole "security through obscurity" thing definitely takes on a different meaning in that case. You are quibbling over the "obscurity" part about open source vs closed source when his whole point in using it is to turn that much vaunted concept about open source around on itself. Reitsuiki knows exactly what he is doing.


Yep, you just pointed out what I had a feeling he was doing all along. Trolling.
Reitsuki Kojima
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Join date: 27 Jan 2004
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06-21-2006 18:08
From: Skye McArdle
Yep, you just pointed out what I had a feeling he was doing all along. Trolling.


Nonsense my good man. I may be doing many things, but not trolling.

Considering I'm not sure you've made a single post in your seven-post history that isn't going after me like a rabid wombat because you read more into a statement than was there, however, the irony is palpable.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Billybob Goodliffe
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06-21-2006 18:10
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Nonsense my good man. I may be doing many things, but not trolling.

Considering I'm not sure you've made a single post in your seven-post history that isn't going after me like a rabid wombat because you read more into a statement than was there, however, the irony is palpable.

hmmm..... *ponders the scenario* i wonder if he is an alt? :D
Cristiano Midnight
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Join date: 17 May 2003
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06-21-2006 20:57
From: Reitsuki Kojima
Nonsense my good man. I may be doing many things, but not trolling.

Considering I'm not sure you've made a single post in your seven-post history that isn't going after me like a rabid wombat because you read more into a statement than was there, however, the irony is palpable.


Thank you for using the word wombat, it does not get enough daily use.
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Christopher Omega
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06-21-2006 22:15
From: Cristiano Midnight
Reitsuki is using it sarcastically to mean that Linux is so secure because it is relatively obscure - people aren't constantly trying to hack it.

Are you kidding me? Hack a linux server and you get access to almost 2/3rds of the internet's servers.
http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_Gains_in_Web_Server_Market/1149792585
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