Did anyone here vote for Bush?

No. It was Jeb. Terri's Law was his idea and was struck down for being unconsititutional and a violation of the right to privacy. He tried to get the state to appoint her a new guardian. The court refused. He then filed a motion to have the case reheard and was denied. He then tried to get the supreme court to hear the case and was again denied. Only then did the US House and Senate try to intervene by passing emergency legislation but the Florida judge refused to order her feeding tube reinserted. The decision was backed up by a panel of appeals court judges. Bush then tries to have himself appointed as her legal guardian (talk about grandstanding!) which is again rejected by a federal judge. After she finally died and her autopsy showed conclusively that she had been brain dead, and when her husband can finally get on with his life after being put through years of hell by Jeb Bush, the Schindlers, and the rabid fundamentalist christians behind them... what does Jeb do? He orders the state attorney general to open an investigation into the timeline of her death implying that her husband killed her. In short, the guy is a zealot.

I so agree that folks should do their research and stay informed. Don't trust one network or source. Try to get to the facts and not the opinions and news blurbs.

Of course, I find it strange, that when I check the actual facts, they paint a horrible and dismaying picture of a very corrupt and greedy Bush, while your fact checking seems to show him as a good guy...

Your facts are wrong then.

You should try to find places without a liberal bias.

LOL oh how I have to fight the urge to respond to some of these comments, but I'll try to stay out of it in the interest of open dialog, I appreciate people who did vote for Bush being willing to post though.

Hehe. Well..if by liberal, you mean honest and fact-filled, such as public records, actual quotes and well documented history, then I'd have to decline and stick with my sources.

I'm hoping for that Clinton/Clinton ticket. Imagine the entrances:

Welcome Madam President Hillary Clinton ... and following her is First Gentleman Bill.

ROFL

Ah, the actual facts! So hard to pinpoint these days, especially as regards anything with political implications.

Either way, there is a matter of how each of us interpret the facts, our particular situation, the issues held closest to our hearts, etc. It is indeed possible for two people to look at The Facts and arrive at different views on The Man.

You think Bill will last that long? He was looking pretty haggard last time I saw him. His diet does him no good.

*sigh*

Aw what the hell, I'll play. I voted for Bush twice. The first time was a bit of a toss-up, GW while much more socially conservative than I didn't seem quite the fire-breather in his Texas days that he became in office. Myself and a number of others figured he would be relatively restrained, and that popular opinion would keep any moves to his base relatively mild. OK, our bad on that one, though I suspect it will swing back soon enough. If Gore hadn't gone class-warfare populist I likely could have gone the other way. And yeah, would have preferred McCain though as a "maverick" he can get a little unpredictable.

In 2004, I was begging for anyone but Bush. But, even though I think he has not done a good job with Iraq (though I do not see it to be a lost cause) he at least hasn't bailed on it and tried to prop up another "our bastard" as a stopgap. I could see other candidates doing a better job, even Democrats, but not Kerry. That and while Bush has to fight for legacy, any new Pres would be worrying about the next election and be under more pressure to bail too early. I simply didn't trust Kerry to finish the job, and his "Benedict Arnold CEOs" and Edwards' protectionism really sealed the deal for me.

Do I regret those votes? No. Do I regret the choices that were on offer? Hell yes.

Let's not get over dramatic. From the man who broke the story....




http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7797.shtml

Fuck Bush! Enough said.

No thanks... >_<

Ditto here. And anyone that thinks things would be sooooo much better with Gore (also an idiot) or Kerry (also an asshole) has themselves fooled.

Yes, I voted for Bush and Bush Sr. I voted for "the other guy" when Clinton was in office.

Despite everything else, I believe one thing about George Jr: He takes a moral stand and backs up what he believes in.

He may not always make the best decisions, but his underlying principles are much closer to mine than any Democrat that has run for office since I've been old enough to vote.

Having said that, if I thought it would make any difference, I would vote Libertarian. I strongly believe in personal freedom and minimal government interference.

Has HG or GW either one brought that about? No. However, based on what the Democrats want to do to our government: make it larger, more burdensome, and even more intrusive in our daily lives, I'd say we got a better bargain.

But would I have endorsed any other Republican candidate besides Bush? Probably. I don't think Bush was the best man for the job. But the best man for the job wasn't on the ballot. Compared to Kerry, Gore, or anybody else I've seen pushing the left wing agenda, I'd pick him again.

So ask yourself: what would Kerry have done after 9/11? What would Gore have done? It's distinctly possible that a Democrat response to 9/11 would have been worse.

Remember: It was Clinton who invaded not one, but two foreign countries. It was Clinton who ordered a completely unprovoked cruise missile attack on foreign soil. Clinton mobilized the military more times during his career than any president (that I know of). If Clinton was the ideal of the Democrat party, I can imagine what Gore's response to 9/11 would have been.

Gore would probably have had us involved not only with Afganastan, but locked in mortal combat with Iraq, Iran, Syria, and North Korea.

Did I vote for Bush? Yes.
Did I wish there was another canditate on the Republican Ballot? Definitely.
Did we get screwed in the end? Yes, we did. But there's screwed and then there's screwed. I still think that while current circumstantes aren't ideal, Gore would have made things even worse than any of us could imagine.

In case you haven't noticed, GW has presided over the largest expansion of the US government since FDR and has racked up the largest deficit in US history. As for government being intrusive, bans on gay marriage, limiting stem cell research, spying on US citizens in ways not seen since McCarthy, breaking down the wall of separation, and eliminating civil liberties are all pretty damn intrusive. Have you been living in another country for the last six years? A president in the pocket of fundamentalist christianity is about as far from a libertarian as you can possibly get.

I voted for George Bush in 2004. In 2000, I wasn't certain that he would make a great president, though I understood that he was an effective party leader as Governor of Texas.

I think the Congress (both parties) are not doing a very good job at the people's business. Since GW is the leader of the Majority party, he must take responsibility for this truth, but he also gets credit for some excellent leadership in some areas.

I support the effort and cause in the War in Iraq. I think there are substantial strategic, political, and economic benefits to the war for the region and the world community.

I reserve the right to change my view in about a decade when the true effects of a president's term really begin to reveal themselves.

hyperbolate much? You've described social issues that would have been raised with or without GW, and try to act as though he created the conflict inherent in issues. Except government expansion and deficit spending, the issues you describe would still be the prominent social conflicts regardless of GW's employment status. You just don't like the outcome. You are not necessarily the majority, though you like to think you are.

I know hyperbolate is not a word, but you understand the meaning, I'm sure

An excellent article from the Guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1665837,00.html

~Ulrika~

*yawn*

I voted for Bush the first time. However after the mess he's made of the education system with "No Child Left Behind" I did not vote for him a 2nd time and PRAYED that he'd loose so that perhaps NCLB could be done away with or at least fixed and funded.

Stagnant wages, rising cost of housing, food, fuel, and healthcare. Good combo? No.
Add to that vast outsourcing, unbalanced trade deals that give China dominance in the world, (Including CAFTA, where China is heavily invested) reliance on foreign oil, record bankruptcy, record home foreclosures, botched Katrina response costing billions, record debt, deficit with no plan on curbing either, 200+ bill / year spending on an unpopular war...

Please, enlighten me how the economy is good. If you say "GDP" I will slap you.

Rich are getting richer. That's ... about ... it.


Sorry, do you need your memory refreshed?
Here's 500+ and counting.


Can we please cut the political jargon?


Yet. I point again to the fact that it was 8 years between the 1993 bombing of the WTC and the 9/11 attack. These things take time, and Bush has a win/win political standing:
No attacks? Well, must be a great job by Bush.
Attacks? Well, we need to step up the trampling of rights and invade more countries.

FACT: The 9/11 commission has last week given Bush and Congress failing grades on the majority of recommended security measures.


And meanwhile, cost of living has risen from housing, food, and healthcare, while wages (including minimum wage) has not gone up. That is the equivalent of a hidden tax for the middle and lower classes.


Except for body armor. That took 2 years of "liberal media" hounding him to make sure troops and HUMVees were properly armored.


I'll give the adminstration credit for orchestrating that, sure.


... along with the most unqualified people to any positions? Bush's appointments are the worst case of political cronism ... outside of Governor McGreevey


Meanwhile we still have tens of thousands of serious casualties - mostly amputees.

This is not due to Bush's leadership, but advances in medicine. The number of wounded is not significantly less than previous conflicts.



Considering we're 2 years in and Sr. White House officials are projecting a stay of 10+ years, I'd say the prospect of 10,000+ dead troops and 100,000 seriously wounded is a pretty significant figure that we're in line to reach.

WAKE UP!

I would have voted for him except there was someone else on the "Warmongering, Eliteist, Divisive, Ill-experienced, Religious Apocolyptic Fundamentalist Cronyism" ticket in my district.

Never a Lincoln around when you need one.

I recently read of Carter's new book, Our Endangered Values, and expect it shall be my next read. When the most respectable president in my lifetime, one who is working harder in retirement than our current CiC does on the job, becomes concerned about a shift in global politics caused by an entry of religious fundamentalism into the political sphere, it gets my attention. That Carter himself is deeply religious, is also quite the statesman, and thinks this is a Bad Thing is troubling.

Since I know you all care, I think that party affiliation in this country is as meaningful a distinction as shoe size.

I never said that GW did everything right. I never said I agreed with all of his choices. I just said that Gore or Kerry would have been far, far worse.

And as to being in the "pocket of fundamentalist Christianity"... I can only say that I watched Clinton walk all over MY values for 8 years. I'm tired of being told that MY rights are somehow less important because I happen to be a "Goes to Church every Sunday and believes what my Bible says" Christian.

Of course, I also believe that the fundamentalists have got most of it wrong, so to slap the "fundie" label on me is about as accurate as calling Yogi the Bear a genius. But the fact stands: I'm disgusted by most of what passes through DC these days. City Hall in my town isn't much better. The only thing I can count on these days is every politician I vote for screwing me in the end.

GW Bush is a product of a flawed system, not its cause. Rather than blame him for everything that's wrong in this country (He can't possibly affect much of what's being blamed on him in any meaningful way), we need to find a way to fix the system itself. BUt how do you fix a system based on human greed and lust for power?

How so?

I want examples, and can I borrow your time/alternate dimension machine when you're finished?