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Is our education system working?

Tod69 Talamasca
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05-08-2006 22:06
From: Selene Gregoire
I'm glad this particular thing was brought up. Back when I was in school we were taught differently. Back then "alot" meant several or an abundance of, and "a lot" reffered to a plot of land, etc. I've been in the habit of using "alot" for more than 30 years because that is what I was taught. Today, kids are being taught something different. Makes you realize just how different things are now than what they were 30 plus years ago.

Will I change my usage of "alot"? Probably not. It was a lesson I have never forgotten that was basically beaten into my head by one teacher. It wasn't a bad thing. It was just a lesson that was emphasized because so many at that time were misusing a lot and alot. My continued use of alot is in a sense my way of honoring that teacher for caring enough to make a point of teaching us what was proper for the times. A good teacher in other words.

However, I do agree that it is the parent's and children's responsiblity for the child's education and desire to learn. Teachers can only provide the means and the tools. It's up to the parents and children to make good use of them.


OMG! You just answered something that my fiance & I argue about all the time!! I use Alot, she uses A Lot. Then she says I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not? Maybe I'm just old? ;)
Champie Jack
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05-08-2006 23:00
From: Tod69 Talamasca
OMG! You just answered something that my fiance & I argue about all the time!! I use Alot, she uses A Lot. Then she says I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not? Maybe I'm just old? ;)


I can't resist...

you're wrong AND old
Vares Solvang
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05-09-2006 00:06
From: Champie Jack
I can't resist...

you're wrong AND old


LMAO!

Seriously though, I was taught "alot" but...it's not in the dictionary so I try to use a lot.
Champie Jack
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05-09-2006 06:31
From: Champie Jack
I can't resist...

you're wrong AND old


:)
Tod69, I hope you read this like Vares read it...

I said it only to get a chuckle. :)
Tod69 Talamasca
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05-09-2006 09:40
From: Champie Jack
:)
Tod69, I hope you read this like Vares read it...

I said it only to get a chuckle. :)



I did :D
Siro Mfume
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05-09-2006 11:06
From: Champie Jack
I was talking about the increased competition that school vouchers create.

I wouldn't exactly say it's "lunatic" to imagine a more vibrant competitive environment for all schools.


Everything I've heard about vouchers is that they are anticompetitive. Please explain how they are more competitive rather than regulating. In an operating system analogy, it seems akin to buying a distro of linux, then obtaining a voucher, then trading both in for a license to Windows. Making it easier to attend a school outside your district is somewhat antithetical toward increasing competition. Currently your children may attend whatever school you wish provided you can pay for it.

So please explain what you mean by increased competition.
Selador Cellardoor
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05-09-2006 16:57
From: Jonas Pierterson
This says it all.


Suffrage petition


Mind you, I liked the way they felt they had to define suffrage for the viewers at the beginning of the film.
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Susie Boffin
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05-09-2006 21:00
I say blame the schools for everything and let the parents completely off the hook. After all, what do parents have to do with raising their own children when they can blame it all on the government?
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Champie Jack
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05-09-2006 22:25
From: Siro Mfume
Everything I've heard about vouchers is that they are anticompetitive. Please explain how they are more competitive rather than regulating. In an operating system analogy, it seems akin to buying a distro of linux, then obtaining a voucher, then trading both in for a license to Windows. Making it easier to attend a school outside your district is somewhat antithetical toward increasing competition. Currently your children may attend whatever school you wish provided you can pay for it.

So please explain what you mean by increased competition.


Well, you are somewhat right that people with money have more options for their child's education. Aren't private schools competition to public schools?

Would an increase in the number of private schools increase competition to public schools?
Champie Jack
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05-10-2006 22:11
From: Champie Jack
Well, you are somewhat right that people with money have more options for their child's education. Aren't private schools competition to public schools?

Would an increase in the number of private schools increase competition to public schools?


Any takers on this brain twister?
Zephria Zapata
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Read this !!
05-10-2006 22:59
May be we would have the money ect for every thing if our schools werent over crowded

ect ... read this ... tell me your thoughts
http://www.realpolice.net/forums/printthread.php?t=33979

http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3876568
Champie Jack
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05-10-2006 23:11
From: Zephria Zapata
May be we would have the money ect for every thing if our schools werent over crowded

ect ... read this ... tell me your thoughts
http://www.realpolice.net/forums/printthread.php?t=33979


I don't really have a comment on this story, but I'd like to ask....

Can anyone answer in a few sentences the main argument against a border fence?

I'll start be stating an argument FOR a border fence:

A border fence creates a barrier that makes patrol and security of the border easier than it is currently.
PetGirl Bergman
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05-10-2006 23:17
http://www.americantaskforce.org/the_wall.htm

/Tina - Walls are not human in any case.
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Champie Jack
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05-11-2006 00:09
From: PetGirl Bergman
http://www.americantaskforce.org/the_wall.htm

/Tina - Walls are not human in any case.



I think George Bush has been a poor leader on border and illegal immigration issues.

Walls are not human, I would agree. a WALL is a tool for border patrol and immigration agencies to use so they can be efficient and effective in carring out their duties to enforce immigration laws.

The Israel wall is the best thing they could have done for themselves. Did the number of suicide bombings go up or down as the wall grew in length and height? The article you linked does a fine job of making an appeal to those who would want to equate the Israeli wall with the Berlin wall.

Do Israelis have a right to protect and secure their territory? Is it more humane to subject Israelis to a higher chance of suicide bombings?

Will someone please make a cogent argument against a WALL or FENCE?
Champie Jack
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05-11-2006 00:14
omg..

somehow I started discussing border security in the education thread.

Sorry, I have been contributing to both threads and I didnt realize that the education thread turned into a border fence discussion.
Champie Jack
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05-11-2006 07:50
for further discussion of illegal immigration into the US from Mexico, see this thread
Siro Mfume
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05-11-2006 10:50
From: Champie Jack
Well, you are somewhat right that people with money have more options for their child's education. Aren't private schools competition to public schools?


Unfortunately, it is true in every sector of our society today that more money is more options. I personally don't expect someone to hand me a voucher along with my trade in so I can get buy that luxury car. I'd love to see people attack that problem, as long as they realize that poverty is the problem they are attacking. As an aside, I heard a wonderful radio show that detailed how the war on drugs was most effective by attacking root causes of drugs (like having manufacturers alter their processes to make it that much harder to acquire the basic material needed to create things like Meth).

As to public vs private, it's not quite that simple. Public schools compete with public schools and private schools and private schools compete with private schools and public schools already. A public school in your own distract may appear to have an advantage over private schools within the same district simply because you are already paying for the public school. This is somewhat incorrect in that anyone else without children in the district are also paying for schooling for your children should you choose to have them go to the public school. The private schools offer different sets of curriculum (within certain required minimums) at a variety of prices. You could also send your children to a public school in a different, perhaps better, district which will inevitably charge you tuition just like a private school.

Vouchers, as I understand them, would undermine the whole tuition thing. It would cripple popular, yet expensive, public schools as they gain more and more children from outside their own district without the additional funding that comes with a larger tax paying population. On the private school end, it would certainly allow private schools to thrive moreso than they do now, but at the expensive of starving your local district of funding.
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