A little proof of Evolution

Sadly, those you need to prove it to most will never listen.

That type of evolution, micro-evolution, isn't in question.

Again?

Micro-evolution is nothing more than adaptation. It's a trait that suggests a creator. There was no new DNA created, the information for the large beaks was already there.

This is evidence animals were created with the ability to adapt to their environment rapidly, absolutely without mutation. These animals are able to go back and forth with the beak size, depending of the food supply.

I wish I could get Ondoher in here. He'd point out the false distinction between "macro" and "micro" evolution better than I ever could, since I could never be arsed to deal with the people who made such distinctions aside from my usual "point and laugh" approach.

Adaptation is adaptation, an accepted trait of all animals, much like the ability to self-heal.

Both of those traits suggest a creator, as a creator would build into all life such traits to maintain the life.

Mutation causes harm to living beings. If those birds were mutating we would see beaks that were useless, not beaks meant for eating the other seeds.

If you think evolution is forced by these conditions, tell me the mechanism that forces it. Then show me how that mechanism worked in this case.

Kevn, it suggests a creator to those who want desperately to believe in one. It does not, in of itself, mandate one.

Stop making a fool of yourself. It makes the baby Jesus cry.

You know Ondoher.... cool
i used to use his ondo bots.
I left one running in a mormon chatroom for about 2 hrs once
when i checked back on it, they were still arguing with it.LOL

I got him into SL for a bit, but then he realised the limitations of LSL and left. He thought about making ondobots, but.. no dice.

If you, I don't know, read the article it very easily and with small words, describes the mechanism, and even tells you how the mechanism worked in this case.

Come on, Jellin, that would require he deviate from his normal (righteous) path.



Facts can confuse people.

What mechanism forced the birdies beaks to get smaller, and how did it work, from your perspective? Or is there no visible mechanism at all, and it is simply the work of God? And adaptation being compared to self-healing is not an accepted trait of animal life, Kevn. That's Lamarckianism, and I don't think I've ever met anyone who still thought you could breed tailless mice by cutting off their parent's tails.

Also, why is mutation always and inevitably harmful? Does the Devil cause mutation, and his guiding talons always dictate that it be detrimental? If so, why does God allow him to mess about with our innocent genomes?

I am so tired of this. God created evolution because he likes surprise and change. And three hundred trillion years later you can find him riding the short bus in the Bronx.

So the good can go to heaven and the sinners can go to hell.

To kill off the sinners, like homosexuals. Which brings us to the previous question.


Torley Linden:
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God created the birds with the ability to adapt to their environment, to a limited extent. The genes for big beaks and small beaks is all there waiting to be taken advantage of when required. There is undoubtedly a lot of genetic material in those little birdies that is currently being unused, but is ready to be activated in the fullness of time.

LOL WTF how the hell do you make that jump and then attempt to use it as fact?

Guess what kevn, ever heard of Junk DNA aka noncoding DNA? What was the creators purpose for this? Just stuff in us for random micro-adaptaptions that such a creator would add to maintain life? When will we make these apaptations and what will trigger the change?


Thats really funny.

Your creator is all knowing when it comes to adding traits that all life would need (atleast when it comes to finches, right?) but yet we have silly things such as skin cancer caused by exposure to the sun....Why didn't your god give all of us that special trait to stave off this cancer that he HAD to know we would get considering the sun has been around for like BILLIONS of years and he would have had plenty of time to study the possible effects of the light he created for us in Gensis 1:3, right??


Place both hands firmly around your neck and slowly pull your head out of your colon because you are talking out of your ass.

Briana Dawson

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Macro evolution would take millions of years, but the earth is only about 6000 years old.
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Even were I to assume it does (And I don't make that assumption, for the record), it suggests evolution as much, if not more, than creationism. A creator could just have every living thing return to full health instantly, instead of designing a slow and painful method of doing it. But by contrast, an evolved system would have a method to adapt and self heal by nesessity: gene-threads lacking these traits would die out and not reproduce.



Mutation is not inherently harmfull.



Death and competition to reproduce.

And both of these are good reasons for me to detest your particular brand of religion.

I think the real question is: Does anyone in this forum (besides Kevn) not believe in evolution?