Free Speech Does Not Apply to The Holocaust

your comment was racist --deal with it.

You do know that the mob of people offended by the Danish cartoon were Syrian ..right?

Nope, it wasn't. Didn't mention a single race. Didn't say anything about any race at all. So why do you call people racist when you can't defend your position?

Do you walk to school or do you carry your lunch?

That was about the way you warped the meaning of the "myth" statement into something other than what was said. My point is that under the current Iranian regime you would face arrest and imprisonment for using "myth" the way you claim the Iranian President did.

Not Racism, just current events.


Muslim is a religious term, not a racial one. I stand by my statement, a Muslim man would very likely be offended if you called his religion a myth.

Can't I do both? Or would that be racist?

But Kendra, I never said anything about Iranians as a people, I was talking about the regime the runs Iran. Religious extremists are not a racial group.

You're still losing the argument, it's probably time to call me names again.

Nonsense. You are saying that Iran is completely made up of crazed islamic fundamentalists who turn into a rabid mob whenever they see a cartoon they don't like.

For starters the people of Persia (Iran) are a race. Much of Iran is secular, and not even all Iranians who practice religion practice the Muslim faith. There are Jews, Catholics, Gnostics, Athiests --probably buddhists and Hindus as well.

Shade it however you want, your opinion here reeks of racism. Even your statement that a Muslim Man would be offended if I called his religion a myth is decidely hinky. EVERY Muslim Man? Oh please.

That's my point that you're making. You stated that I couldn't go to Tehran and make the statement that the Muslim faith is based in myth without there being some sort of (I'm assuming) violent reprecussion.

My point is of course I could.

I've witnessed with my own eyes Chasidic Jews in Brooklyn form a mob and drive a van into a police precinct over percieved (by them) anti-semitic remarks from a couple of cops.

Does that mean ALL Jews (me included) drive trucks through police precincts if some cop makes a bagel joke?

Nope, didn't say that now did I? The people of Iran are not a race. The people of Iran are Persian, Azeri, Kurdish, Arab, Turkmen, Baluchi, Armenian, Assyrian and two different Jewish ethnic groups.

Defaming the Muslim religion is a crime in Iran. That's not a racist statement. If you called their religion a "myth" you'd be in trouble. That's not a racist statement.

I didn't say that all of Iran is made up of "crazed Islamic fundamentalists" I said that the people who would want to imprison you for your "myth" nonsense are the same who would riot and burn embassies over cartoons. Not racist. Not racist at all.

Not a single racist statement in anything I said. Your inclination to see racism whenever anyone disagrees with you is really something you should look into.

And here I thought they were from Syria. Silly me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4681294.stm

Some Iranians called for a boycott of commercial Danish enterprises though --those crazy hotheads.

Uhm -- I said the people of PERSIA (Iran) are a race -the other groups you mention are not Iranians (though they live there). When talking about race one is speaking of the indigineous peoples. Iran has been a crossroads for thousands of years.

Much like I'm a United States citizen (second generation), but my race isn't American.


The major point is that YOU are the one that lumped all the people of Tehran into a group of "Muslims" that turn into a mob at the sight of a cartoon or the word "myth" as applied to their faith. Not me. YOU.

To claim it's not a racist statement, by using semantics to wiggle free of your own bigotry is laughable at best.

I myself am decidedly anti-semantic.

Riots in front of the Italian, UK, Danish, French and other embassies in Tehran are a bit more than boycotting Danish products. Iranian support for the groups that incited the riots in Beirut is well documented. I noticed that you didn't call me a racist in your last post. Was it just because you felt you had a real point to make this time?

And you seriously think it's all about cartoons? really? You really really think that?

And you're still wrong. Nothing I said was racist. Nothing I said in any way made any reference to the race of anyone I was criticizing.

There are ethnic Iranians and Iranians who are not ethnic Iranians. The other ethnic groups who live in Iran are Iranians. But that has nothing to do with what I said. I was talking about the policies of the Iranian regime. Their races were irrelevant.

Your knee-jerk "racism" reaction to my post says more about how you look at the world than how I do. It's not racism to criticize the actions of others, even if the others are of a different race than the person doing the criticism. For many of us, race is irrelevant. Maybe one day you'll get to that point too.

So, the people who are rioting tell us it's about the cartoons, but the smart American knows those poor benighted souls don't really know what they mean. Condescing paternalism is only steps away from racism.

MOOKIE: Dago, wop, garlic-breath, guinea, pizza-slinging, spaghetti-bending, Vic Damone, Perry Como, Luciano Pavarotti, Sole Mio, nonsinging motherfucker.
PINO: You gold-teeth, gold-chain-wearing, fried-chicken-and-biscuit-eatin', monkey, ape, baboon, big thigh, fast-running, three-hundred-sixty-degree-basketball-dunking spade Moulan Yan.
STEVIE: You slant-eyed, me-no-speak-American, own every fruit and vegetable stand in New York, Reverend Moon, Summer Olympics '88, Korean kick-boxing bastard.
OFFICER LONG: Goya bean-eating, fifteen in a car, thirty in an apartment, pointed shoes, red-wearing, Menudo, meda-meda Puerto Rican cocksucker.
KOREAN CLERK: It's cheap, I got a good price for you, Mayor Koch, "How I'm doing," chocolate-egg-cream-drinking, bagel and lox, B'nai B'rith asshole.

MISTER SEÑOR LOVE DADDY: Yo! Hold up! Time out! Time out!
Y'all take a chill. Ya need to cool that shit out... and that's the truth, Ruth.

Fine. We'll go with ill-informed and bigotted then.

Link?

BTW it's spelled "Condescending", and I prefer the gender-neutral "parentalism".

Well, Kendra I guess we can leave it at that, now that your argument has descended to the "you spelled that wrong" and "where's the link to the news story that's been on the front page of every major paper in the world for days" stage. You have said you agree with the President of Iran's statement that the Holocaust was a myth. When I disagreed you took the thread off topic by calling me a racist. When that was ineffective you implied that I was uneducated. Continued discussion with you will be of no value.

okay.