Free Speech Does Not Apply to The Holocaust

Refering to me?

Try telling people that your opinion is that you should shoot the president and see how far that gets you.

wow --racist much?

I don't have an opinion on the Iranian President's speech, because I don't speak Iranian. Do you?

Also "repeated defence of Palenstinian terrorists"??? When have I ever defended terrorists of ANY nation? I'm incredibly offended, and if you were in front of me, I'd definately kick you in the nuts.

I'll go you one better. I think a person's opinions are worth going to jail for.

The word "racist" set a trend that was later followed by "nazi", "homophobe" and "rape", and "facist" is looking to play along soon.

We are talking about opinions of past history, not threats to commit a crime.

Then maybe you should be more specific when you post:



Mentioned nothing about history, only an opinion. The point being, no one was jailed for having an opinion. The expression of such is what's at stake.

Furthermore, there is a line of thought that says denying the Holocaust happened is the first step down the road to committing another genocide. Which, in essence, makes denying it a threat to commit it again -- a threat as real as saying you're going to off the president. You can buy that or not, up to you. Just saying that such thinking exists.

Denial of The Holocost is a threat to the national security of Germany and Austria. I'm not at liberty to discuss why it would be a threat to national security, because that would also be a threat to national security.

If you followed the thread you would know what we are talking about.

Talking about this historical account in no way is a threat to the national security of Germany and Austria. The book didn't release any secret information. He is being jailed for 3 years for daring to question the "official" history of the events of WWII. If that's okay with you, super.

At this point I see it as a useless law meant to terrorize those who disagree with the majority.

I am often a dissenting voice in group discussions, and it makes me sick to think having a minority view of history might cause one to be imprisoned.

Truthfully, I am very surprised even one American would agree with this outrageous law. But then again, many "Americans" sided with the British in the Revolutionary war. Not all Americans support freedom of expression and freedom of thought.

To which Americans are you refering in this oft-repeated expression of generic disgust?

Americans like you. Unpatriotic types.

The "Americans" who agree with this law. If the shoe....

But nothing in either statement applies to me Honestly Kendra, your infatuation with me is flattering, really, but it's clouding your judgement. I think you're wearing yourself out... Back when Ulrika was still around and you two could tag team me, you both presented much better opposition.

*giggles*
Quick, call the president! Invoking "national security" is no longer carte blanche to do whatever you want.

But, in reality, the US and most other democratic nations (*winks to Reitsuki*) do have Libel Laws that limits printing of falshoods that defame or cause harm to others. Germany and Austria made the decision that printing falshoods about the holocost (i.e. denying that it happened) causes enough harm to enough people that it needed to be institutionalized in its own law.
You can disagree with this if you wish.

Ah no, you don't get away that easily. Which Americans? Point to an American in this thread has expressed said opinions. You clearly think some have, given your phrasing, so I'm curious, which ones?

This Law was passed 60 years ago. I'm sure Austrians are cringing at the though its still being upheld.

The other disgracful thing is that this guy got 3 years give or take. An immigrant in the Uk who had no licence,no insurance and was speeding who knocked down and killed someone was given a jail sentance not even a quarter of this. Bullshit,no?

Read the thread and see which ones think the guy got what he deserves. That will be the ones I'm talking about.

Translation: "I can't"

Oh, I'm an American, and I do disagree with the law. It's just that I find it hillarious too.

To compare it to something else, back when I was in highschool (The good old days before this zero-tollerance bullshit), a guy I was nodding friends with groped a woman in the hallway. She kicked him in the nuts so hard he wasn't able to stand up for ten minutes.

Do I agree with what she did? Nope, not really. It's an over-reaction to the extreme. Did he deserve it, and was it hillarious, in a karmic sense? Yup.

You seem to have an allergic aversion to saying my name. Why is that?

In case it isn't clear yet, let me spell it out so that you nor anyone else has to bother to construct snide, backhanded statements to marginalize my opinion.

Even better! I'll save everyone the bother of re-writing my words in such a way as to make me sound as bad as they can.

So, first a disclaimer.

I disagree with the law with the fullest part of my opinion.

Now, on to the main attraction.

I find the suffering of others funny if the suffering is in direct response to them being an asshat. Shadenfraude is a good friend and long-time lover of mine.

Are you the judge who decides who is an asshat?

I'm thinking of a... think it might have been a Bill Hicks, or possibly an old Carlin bit... "Ever see something you don't agree with... but you understand?"

Kinda like that.