Vegetarian, Vegan, or Omnivore?

and did your husband buy that excuse?

I'm male. Sorta.

Oh that's okay then. You can blame it on beans and being male. We guys blame beans for everything.





* farts *

LOL!

Maybe we should start a new thread: I live in a country full of beans.

I assume you are asking why does ideosyncratic photographic evidence presented by a site selling a product of questionable efficacy reduce the credibility of that evidence.

I guess the way I phrased that sort of answered it; the site has every reason to want to cause potential customers to believe what they are selling is effective. And the beauty of it is that given the well known placebo effect, simply believing that a treatment is effective can make it so.

I didn't question the efficacy of the treatment, I called their attendant explanations incorrect because there is a large corpus of science that shows the explanations to be not possibly incorrect, but wildly false. That the site contained even more absurd pseudo-science pushed it out of the realm of "maybe" into full crankhood:Unfortunately, they don't describe what the effects of a "cold pancreas" might be. This junk belongs with phrenology and divination by goat entrails.

You are certainly correct that we don't know nearly as much as we'd like to about whole bunches of things. But present ignorance is a poor excuse for granting all imaginable explanations equal credibility. A recent article that crossed my desk brought to my attention a group of researchers who have been spending years investigating the placebo effect and some curiousities like some pain reducing placebo effects can be suppressed with endorphin antagonists and others aren't so affected. This was pretty surprising in 1983 but as the work continues they get closer on finding the non-opiate mechanisms of placebo analgesia.

Finally, and definitely not to scare you, but the "cleansing" treatment you mention above might actually be the cause of the relief you've experienced in your allergies, hence neither coincidental nor inexplicable. In the last decade we discovered that there is an inverse relationship between parasitization by Helminth worms and hyperallergic responses. Or put more prosaically by someone "there is no case of hayfever so bad that a good tapeworm can't cure it". Huh? well it looks like the systems that deal with parasites are tied to hayfever and as we've improved sanitation thus lowering our burden of parasitic worms, our allergic system has begun getting over-excited.

Before you get icked out, one of the Helminth parasites Enterobius vermicularis is known as pinworm, lives in the intestine, is almost always asymtomatic, exists in 30% to 80% of North Americans and Europeans tested, and generally doesn't cause much trouble. You didn't give details on the "cleansing" and, frankly, I don't want them. However, such treatments can require equipment which could easily carry pinworm from one host to another. You could have gotten a pinworm infection which would have caused no noticable effect except that your allergies went away. Do I know this happened? Of course not. Could it have? Yep. Do you need to worry about it? Probably not. Does it push the explanation from the realm of the "who knows" to "it might be this"? Yep.

It is a complex world, and we know so little, but we are learning, and what we are learning is typically more effective than shamanism.

I'm glad you're not my doctor, you make some interesting reaches. In the one I did there was no "equipment" involved - it was mostly extra fiber and nutrients, along with cultured acidophilus and other bacteria found in a typical healthy colon. Also involved in an inverse relationship with digestive troubles and adverse immune system responses.

Fixed.

Level 5 vegans don't eat anything with a shadow.

and level 5 carnivores will gladly eat themselves.

I wanna live a healty life so I just eat grass and berries.. meat is evil.. if we were meant to eat it dont you think we would have been given teeth?

(BTW) my friends granny lived to the grand age of 98 and she loved the fat off bacon... so if you think eating meat kills you young just STFU cause your wrong.. you use your vegatarianism to feel better than everyone else, thought maybe the sence of self satisfaction gained from that will help you live longer

Relevant: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/478342

"You can argue that it's our [industrialized] immune systems that are deviant"

Your granny may have lived until 198 if she hadn't have ate pig fat.

Did anyone else notice Ulrika voted on this thread?

Shush.

Oops

by the same logic:

Because one CAN fly in planes does not mean humans were INTENDED to fly in planes.

Because women CAN remove body hair does not mean they were INTENDED to remove it.

Because we CAN put clothes on does not mean we were INTENDED to wear clothes.

You get the idea. lol

Grr. The link doesn't always work directly, but you can access it through Google.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.medscape.com%2Fviewarticle%2F478342

Parasites are cool!

Why don't you STFU since you did not read the earlier posts of this thread you think that this thread is here to compare the pro's and con's of being a vegetarian as opposed to a meat eater.

No one has posted in this thread that their "vegatarianism" (to quote your wonerful spelling) makes them feel better than everyone else. Try posting without your head up your ass.

And sence is spelled with an "i" not an "e" oh brilliant one.

Briana Dawson

Meat, potatoes and gravy mmmmm, oh and a diet coke please!

Sense of satisifaction is the feeling of satisifaction. This is the word the poster misspelled.

Since of satisfaction makes no sense. This is Briana's correction, and a sign that she needs a dictionary just as much as the first guy.

Mocking people's grammar or spelling should only be done when you can do it right. Otherwise you end up looking dumber than the guy you're trying to correct.

Aside from that, my biggest problem with the page produced?

Besided pictures of stuff that can easily be made up... mixing spagetti and mold and putting it in a toilet, it really has nothing to back itself up. Oh, it goes on and on and talk about why the cleansing is a good thing... but there's not a single clinical test or study. And there isn't a a page on the net about it where they're not also trying to sell you something.

I wouldn't try any medicine without some major testing, why would I try something online because someone with everything to gain from lying to me tells me that it'll cure my ills?

Cheerfully omnivorous, here. I could live without meat, but you will only take my cheese when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

I did have a coworker once tell me that Jesus was vegan, though. I just pointed at her and yelled 'Loaves and FISHES!'. Her sole basis for believing that Christ was vegan was 'because vegans are good people'. That's the kind of mentality I have to deal with here, folks. Even the vegans aren't very bright in my neck of the woods.

lolololol!

coco

Yes, I sure did, and thought about commenting on it.

coco

No, that is not the same logic.

Canine teeth are something we were born with, and study of various animals leads to the irrevocable conclusion that yes, humans are built to eat meat.

coco