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From my standpoint, my only issue was asking what Anshe meant, as I did not understand, no matter how sinister Chip tries to make my motives appear. I actually feel bad for her, as it is true you have no control over what is said about you on a Wiki page like that. However, I do not understand still how someone who had even LL promote articles containing their RL information and who were involved in the very public SLCC could claim their anonymity had been violated.

I wasn't really trying to single you out, Cris. It just seemed to me that you went out of your way to take issue with her rather than displaying empathy after she made it abundantly clear how this thread made her feel, and it seemed pretty obvious to me that the anonymity aspect was not the real issue to her, but that being a target of derision has greater consequences for someone who has given up that anonymity. I'm sure we've all done things in SL at one time or another we wouldn't want to be common knowledge to our RL peers, family, and others, and if any one of us gave up their anonymity through a press interview I'm sure we'd all hope that our SL peers would cut us some slack in that regard. As someone who has also given up my anonymity I can empathize with how she feels.

Thank you, Anshe for the sacrifices you've made to make SL a better place! Your hard work has not gone without notice.

Asking a single question is not "going out of my way", and it was not abundantly clear to me what she was saying, so I asked. Both of you gave up your "anonymity" willingly. As such, I was confused by what she meant. That is all. Upon rereading it, I see she is saying the opposite - that it is her SL spilling into her RL that she seems to be concerned about, along with singing her own praises as usual. I'm not sure what slack there is to cut here.

Maybe try taking issue with those calling her a whore instead of with her for objecting to it?

*yawn*
Why must everything turn into drama?
FYI:
Anshe sent me a nastygram demanding a public apology. Whatever.
I certainly did not mean to offend anyone, but I don't feel an apology is needed. I didn't call it a vanity page. Wikipedia calls them vanity pages. I don't CARE whether or not there is a page about Anshe, because I don't CARE about Anshe, or the land market, or the silly land metaphor for server space, or most of what goes on in the mainland. I'm here to work, hang out with my friends, and meet people only insofar as they meet my narrow view of what would make a good friend, or a useful business connection.
I don't buy or sell land, goods, or lindenbucks. My clients buy whatever amount of sims they deem appropriate from Linden Lab, and I script whatever they want. I generally don't bother with anyone who doesn't have at least one sim, or a global project large enough to involve a web server with a MySQL database. I don't take lindenbucks as payment either.
So if you don't plan on eventually hiring me and you're not a friend of mine or at least interested in becoming one, please, for the love of god, put me on your ignore list rather than involve me with the latest batch of forum drama and sending me nastygrams via PM.

There you go again, attributing things to me. Did I take issue with her objecting to being called a whore? NO, I asked a question about what she meant about a certain aspect of what she was saying. I was originally going to go into detail on why I don't object to the question about her escort business, but it has already been well rehashed and this is now just about you trying to pick a fight because I asked a question. I did not attack Anshe, so honestly, go after someone else.

For the record, I didn't call her a whore.

The article clearly states that she was a prostitute. Prostitutes are whores. Whores are prostitutes. I didn't make this shit up. Go check it out for yourself.

I simply used a different word to describe her past profession. I didn't "call" her anything. We aren't in gradeschool. This isn't the playground. This was her real life profession that she made money with.

She now has a different profession that she makes money with.

By that logic you could object to me also "calling" her a businessperson.

Therefore, I apologize wholeheartedly for "calling" Anshe Chung a business person. It was grossly inappropriate for me to "call" someone their profession. I am ashamed. I am a bad person (with fabulous hair) who should be punished...repeatedly.

Neehai, perhaps you should clarify that it was not her "REAL LIFE PROFESSION", which as far as I know was not, but rather a profession she did in Second Life, not real life.

Did you read Valery42's argument against Anshe's page NOT being deleted?

All her "contributions" to the Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Valery42

You'll see the link to her argument below in that list.

Interesting discoveries the more you dig all those entries and who wrote them.

The person who created the Anshe Chung page, Hyphz, is the same person who creted the Feted Inner Core page.

FIC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Feted_Inner_Core&action=history


Anshe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anshe_Chung&action=history

Hmmm... If you look at his Wikipedia history, this person has a recent history of editing any criticism of Second Life in any form.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Hyphz&offset=0&limit=500

Some of his edits include rewriting TALK pages about Second Life.

Anyway, I just think it's interesting that the same person who created the Feted Inner Core Wikipedia page also created Anshe's Wikipedia page.

It even appears that he edited Gwyneth Llewelyn's USER page to remove comments she made about Second Life. Wow, talk about intrusive. That edit was made a little over 2 weeks ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GwynethLlewelyn

That little section by Hyphz is about the most fun thing I've read in a long time.

Remember all the important thing is to present a single view.

I really find it hard to believe most of the rest of the internet world has any interest in Second Life. The majority of people, even smart ones can't even understand what the hell it is. I don't see how adding any entries about Second Life is enriching the Wiki. I might as well add entries about the culture from my fantasy football board, we have more actice users and posters than Second Life.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. You're simply someone I generally expect more of and it truly surprises me that in this particular case you seem to have so little empathy for how Anshe might feel and what about the wikipedia entry and this thread might be hurtful to her, especially in light of her lack of anonymity. We're all quick to jump to the defense of Aimee or other well known SL figures who get more than their fair share of abuse due to being in the spotlight. Why is Anshe different? I was trying to make you think about your position, not just raise your hackles. You're usually someone who seems to care about issues of fairness and empathy.

The thing that angered me Chip is you spoke to my empathy, or lack there of, when all I did was ask a question - I did not express any lack of empathy because I asked for clarification on what she meant. I genuinely did not understand how someone can put their information out there in the way Anshe has, then be upset by the information being out there - I misunderstood her use of "second life anonymity". That was not me being unempathetic, it was not understanding her point. Upon further reflection, I realized she was speaking more about private details of her SL life being in full view of people reading that article, and I feel bad about that. By that point however, I had already been jumped all over you for asking a question.

I also expect more of you than to just speculate on someone's motives and put words into their mouth. I asked one question. I didn't bash Anshe, didn't blame her, I asked a question. Yes, Anshe has been subject to more public criticism than anyone. I would argue that some of it has been well justified, but much of it has not. In this case she has no control over the article. The person here however who is also being unfairly criticized is Eggy - his comment about vanity pages and that it did not belong there was accurate, and does not deserve any kind of apology or browbeating from Anshe. That is the unfairness I reacted to, because he did nothing wrong.

PS - I would have asked Aimee or anyone else the same quesiton.

I am so sorry that this thread got this proportions.. I was only searching the net for pages about SL.. new web pages about SL.. I type din a lot of names.. serch words..

There are plenty of other official people like Anshe - out at the net - have a look by yourself..... at wikipedia... (I did a search a sec ago of LL. wow..) and similar places.. all of us that are in cyber probably are searching of all kind sof things as a help in our life..... I feel it as a part of me.. its fun. its educating me..

In fact we are all listed at the net in some way.. telephone company.. domainadresses.. to mention a few... are all on the net ...

Sorry.. but I also see a discussion that maybe can help us to get further in whats ok and not.. I dident know about al this sorry.. I was sure that al that was published was ok.. and i put a link.. not a copy,,,not any comment.. maybe I shall read the rules one by one.. sorry...

Thanks for clarifying, Cristiano. I personally got annoyed when you suggested that I didn't know what a vanity page is. The issue is not that the information is out there on wikipedia. It's the part of her past mentioned on it from before she became a public figure that I think is the real issue, and some people's rather zelous enjoyment of rubbing it in her face. I don't mean to put any words in her mouth. That would bother me even if it didn't bother her because it's simply callous and uncalled for. Lots of people roleplay here and we don't throw it up in their face, but if it's Anshe (or if it were any other "famous" SL'er) there'd be people only too happy to do just that. I'm not saying you're one of them but to me your question in response to her request for some slack seemed to imply that she somehow waived any right to that kind of empathy when she became a public figure. That's what I was taking issue with. My apologies if I misunderstood where you were coming from.



That I agree with completely.

Don't you worry just a second, PetGirl. What you did was perfectly OK. And you are surely not responsibility for what happened to this thread.

On the other hand, as a seasoned reader of the forums you might have known what would happen at the mention of the word "Anshe" ...

Anshe has some enemies. And a handful of residents who are active at the forums are not only enemies. They hate her fiercely. It is hard to discuss feelings - either pro or contra. Lets just say that hate - like prejudice - does funny things to your perception of the world, events, other peoples doings, your own doings ...

So, if you want to have a (small) chance, that a thread stays on topic, just don't use the A-name.

Wonder why it are like that.. why a person can get so many enemies..


Ok tks... for your nice answer.. I shall try to remember that.. but it can also feel like a kind of self censur to do like that. Not mention... the.. hm x-word...)))

On a related track ... does anyone has an idea, who 69.3.148.130 could be, who wants to force information about Anshe's pricing from 2004 into the page?

Ya, I was wondering about that one too - I just get more interested in someone who's trying to remove the info. Whoever those two are, they certainly are stubborn.

What's with this new paragraph by Adam999?



"A majority of SL users have at some stage become customers of her business"!??!!? A majority?

The vast majority of people do not own land, but Anshe used to have malls - Centreville first and then... well, pretty much every telehub mall. It's not that far-fetched that a majority of SL users bought something at a mall of hers at least once, but this does not make them her customers - her customers were the store owners who rented space at the malls.