"Second Life does not allow Nazi iconography as it broadly offensive."

Someone misses the point utterly here.

This is a game - swastika's are not NEEDED.

I dont need educating on the subject by Talen or anyone else, I've been to Belsen with my grandfather who was among the first British troops to enter the camp in 1945.

Prok is 100% right when he says its 'fuck me hedonism'. I'm an amatuer historian with a degree in american history 17-1900 thanks very much Talen and I understand the use of the swastika just fine BUT THERE ARE THOSE THAT ONLY SEE IT AS A SWASTIKA - getting the drift yet Talen?

Education is fine - I'd love to see a Holocaust museum in SL - hanging icons in your window to prove your hedonistic points of view is beneath childish.

Hey Sox, motorcycles in 2005?

The same goes for the horrific experiments in biology. Nazi "science" was focused on propping up Hitler's surrealistic fantasies. In the case of eugenics, the only results that mattered to them were the ones that "proved" the superiority of the "Aryan race". As the prefab conclusion was demonstrably false, all results from the experiments were useless.

Willful ignorance is the feeding grounds of evil.

No one said anything about hanging icons in windows to prove hedonistic points of view...oh wait...prok did. Prok has never been 100% right about anything and in this case he doesn't dissapoint as usual. I did say I would show the american swastika on my property and still plan to do so with information about what it really is and means and the differences between this type of swastika and a nazi swastika.

I get your drift quite well...sadly you never bothered to comprehend mine. I do understand that some people only see a swastika as a swastika....so we should reward ignorance? and what happens when one of these people run into someone who uses a swastika other than a nazi one? Do we now let that person degrade and revile the person because of their own ignorance?

People should be educated as to what the differences are between a nazi Swastika and other swastika's so they don't over generalize like in this thread and make themselves look like an ass or worse degrading someone because they are clueless.

I don't think it's a matter of being justified. The original Crusade certainly was the direct result of Moslem aggression, as was the Reconquista. The Moslems in the Holy Land were abducting and murdering some pilgrims whilst holding others for ransom, they were blocking the lucrative trade routes that had been established and were attacking European cities and towns. I believe that the European kingdoms felt that they were well justified, since they overcame their own petty squabbles for once.
Subsequent Crusades had other aims, not so noble in intent, mostly spurred on by the Venetians' desire to make money no matter whom it hurt, and they eventually resulted in the fall of the Byzantine Empire and the loss of most of Eastern Europe to the Turks for 500 years.

However, the Nazi campaign did provide astronomical capital for IBM, making them as powerful as a country (not even the allies would dare to touch IBM for war crimes because they depended on them for after the war inventory!). So we can thank them for faster computer growth.

Or for squelching innovation for decades by diminishing competition.

good thing nobody else ever did that.

BTW, I think we should ban Linux iconography as it is broadly offensive. Ban all penguins.

Just ban the ones wearing veils and carrying rulers to spank you with.

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What we do is follow Linden Labs directive and not USE the bloody things in the first place which is what this is all about, or after 18 pages do you STILL not understand that yet you silly girl?

For someone to build a camp,staff it with guards(as has already been attempted in Second Life) and the use the Hindu version of the Swastika would be ok would it?

Cant you SEE that its context that matters and just by saying 'oh it's the Hindu Swastika' makes NO difference at all?

You open this to abuse by some of the mindless morons that get hold of accounts here and you'll be sorry you ever opened your mouth.There is a REASON LL ban this kind of icon and the reason is its open to abuse by idiots.

While I have a strong antipathy for mindless morons, I think there's a slippery slope to removing or banning content because it might be misused by morons.

After all, any tool that allows us the ability to customize our environment is potentially a powerful tool to inflict grief. In the hands of a responsible artist, the ability to evoke emotional resonance, negative or positive, is a powerful tool. In less responsible hands, it's merely a blunt object for inflicting trauma.

That's why I think it demands an individual judgement for each case. A replica of a Messerschmidt in a virtual air museum shouldn't be subject to the same restrictions as a shrine to der Fuhrer.

Actually there is a difference....LL explicitly banned Nazi iconography....not swastika's.

by the way you might want to feel again....not a girl

Also what if someone decided to build an actual holocaust museum...and literally show the imagery of the Nazi's for what it really is? Would it be a situation where we would be allowed to show the attrocities but not those that comitted them?

I am broadly offended by this iconography...ban it for me, pleeeeeese!

Me too! But there are SO many morons

Kritter... don't you have a few ships to blow up in EVE?

Yes. But unfortunately during the day time they make me come into the office where I'm supposed to earn my salary. And whilst I can piss around all day on the forums here without attracting too much attention, I think playing EVE might be a step too far

Oh, alright. Today is a national holiday here in Portugal. On December 1st 1640 we managed to get rid of the blasted spaniard king who had been occupying our throne since 1580. Hooray for 4-day weekends!

Well, I'm off work tomorrow. But I won't be bothering to come enlighten you with my forum wisdom cuz I'll be busy playing with my new Xbox 360. Mweee!

So let me get this straight.....I can see the most hard core porn imagery - along with huge dildos-anal plugs and every other fetish item on the planet-heck 80% of SL is full of this crap...but they censor Nazi flags....nice. Yes Nazi=hate n Pron = good but I think censorship of any kind is lame. Heck i would love to see the nazi skin heads ralley against the masses and have an all out virtual face off discussion ect. Next they wont let muslims in the game to protect us from terrorism and online recruitment. I say bring it on-its called Second life!-live it your way (they can borrow that quote).

Happy first post, Digitalmafia! I haven't seen this thread in ages!

Hmm, never saw this thread before. I don't consider Nazi paraphenalia to be offensive, nor do I feel it should be contained under a blanket-ban in SL. It should be handled on a case-by-case basis. If someone is using Nazi symbolism directly with anti-semetic or white supremacist messages, then yes, that's inappropriate and should be dealt with. If someone has an artistic display of Nazi-related items, or even simply placing a flag or recruiting poster in an otherwise-legal build, that should be allowed. LL is taking a lazy stance with this blanket-ban.

I was wondering if it was worth bringing this subject up when I saw a mention of it on the blotter a couple of weeks ago. Made me think about wearing the buddhist swastika about to see how many ARs I'd get too, but I didn't bother with that either.

Nice to see someone's brought it up but, man, 18 pages? I can't be bothered to read all that. Can anyone tell me:

Did the discussion get anywhere?
Were the falming inverted crossed mentioned at all?

More to sate my curiosity than anything else. Thanks.

I personally think Nazi icons are in rather bad taste, and can border on offensive.

However if my RL neighbor put out a Nazi flag on his own property and someone else complained i'd be on his side regardless of why he set it up, just because freedom doesn't only apply to "some".

I can't see why SL should be any different.