Dear Philip: Fix the (edited) build tools!

Actually honey and dogshit have everything to do with this -- there are 2 ways to ask -- the honey (or civil) method -- and the dogshit (or ranting) method.

This is a good example of the 'dogshit' method.

Siggy.

Personally I think alternate formatting might make your point more effectively.

Dear Philip: Fix the fucking build tools!

Dear Philip: Fix the fucking build tools!

Dear Philip: Fix the fucking build tools!

Dear Philip: Fix the fucking build tools!

Bran, this isn't even a bug. You just suck at math.
The Euler rotation <90,90,0> translates to the quaternion <0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5>. The Euler rotation <0,90,90> also translates to the quaternion <0.5,0.5,0.5,0.5>. They're two different ways of writing the same number.

Look, here's some example code:

default
{
    state_entry()
    {
        vector foo = <90,90,0>;
        foo *= DEG_TO_RAD;
        rotation bar = llEuler2Rot(foo);
        llSay(0, (string)bar);

        foo = <0,90,90>;
        foo *= DEG_TO_RAD;
        bar = llEuler2Rot(foo);
        llSay(0, (string)bar);
    }
}

Seriously, you might as well as write some massive (yet oddly content-poor) diatribe railing against the horrible design the Lindens have employed by having the Size and Position fields append useless, wasteful, oppressive zeros in numbers where the decimal places are not necessary. How dare they waste precious, precious electrons writing "0.500" instead of "0.5"!

take a chill pill, mate. there are bigger problems in the world than your "bug". ask someone in indonesia what they think of the problem youre having with LL.

I wonder how long it going to take to have this thread pulled.

Watch your language... This isn't a Mature Forum.

.....


Where have you been?

And shouldn't Bran go under a fucking steam roller?

Personally I think you are the cosmic joke God is perpetrating on US. But, oh well.

Same place his head is at I imagine.

OMG, People DO listen to me!

well despite the questionable methods this post does prove one thing beyond any shadow of doubt.






it proves Jeska has saturdays off. have a good weekend Jeska!



OMG! BUG BARONS!!

What did you say? I'm sorry I wasn't listening.

Seems to me, its your "better half" (who according to mathmatics must be infinitly better) that you should be pissed at. Tell her/him/it to take a hike, then please do the same.

Stop bumping this thread. If you leave it alone, it will be buried and forgotten. Thank you.

I will bump the thread to inform everyone that I will no longer bump the thread

I find the building here to be quite miserable. The changing of the rotations may not be a bug in the technical sense that the program is not performing as designed, but if it is not a bug then it is a design flaw. The conversions from degrees to quats and and back to degrees could be done in such a way as to preserve the numbers that weren't altered by the user's entry and to keep from doing things like changing 90 to -270, and they certainly ought to be. The fact the results displayed may be geometrically equivalent to the numbers one enters doesn't make them easy to use. The fact that some people aren't bothered by this design flaw doesn't mean you shouldn't be. This design flaw aggravates me a great deal and makes me curse out loud while using the editor.

Other problems like altering the values by one or two hundredths also bother me a great deal.

Trying to build when 25 to 50 percent of the objects you delete ghost is not a bit of fun either.

I don't know if there is some objective definition of what constitutes a startup company but in my opinion Second Life is out of that phase. Using startup status as an excuse was was lame to start with and not true anymore in my view.

The only way I have found to keep from being extremely aggravated by the build tools is simply to not build anything at all. I occupy myself by writing little scripts that are stored in single prims and the only editing I do to the prim is to customize it a bit so it is easier to recognize.

Again, I want to make it clear that you are not alone in your anger, outrage, and dissatifaction with the object editor. I feel just the same way.

25-50%!? Who's ass did you pull that one out of?

That's a known bug that they're working on. It actually didn't used to show the hundreth of a point error, it "covered it up". They'll probably get to it onec the stability bugs are gone.



That's a result of dropped packets between you and the server. Try lowering your bandwidth settings a bit.

Failing that, before you delete something, move it out of the way prior to you deleting it, so the ghost doesn't stay in the field of view.




The company isn't using that "excuse", I am. I don't figure it's easy having less then 30 employees coding something never done before.

Assume this program is always in beta. Accept that fact. Pay for it, or don't. Or, move on.

LF

There are never any lost packets shown on the stats display. Lowering the bandwidth has no effect. The internet connection appears sound in all other respects. I am not at all alone in having this problem.

This program aggravates people because it so frequently and in so many ways fails to perform as it should. People who don't get what they pay for bitch. Deal with it. Go build something.

Sending an email directly to the lindens would be a better way of "bitching" than airing your grievances on a public forum. They do read their email, you know.

What do you want me to do? Wave my feted inner core elite wand around and fix your issues?

[email]support@lindenlab.com[/email]
[email]cory@lindenlab.com[/email]
[email]philip@lindenlab.com[/email]

Enjoy.

LF

for what it's worth i've built alot of things in sl both big and tiny and the only problems i've ever had are unreliability of snap-to-grid, the "hundredth of a point" thing occasionally and sometimes a prim jumping to a previous position if i'm downloading a movie or something while trying to play. maybe i got a high frustration threshold but i've never even considered giving up on building and sulking in a corner.

In reference to the build tools, I suggested TCP to Philip in one instance, and heard it back in another, I believe that... though I am not an authority on what the lab uses, or on what Philip said exactly, that using TCP vs UDP for built tools is in the works, though it won't come out right away. The speed would be reduced but the accuracy would increase. Time to work on the solution to one of the larger complaints is needed, however, and thus, patience is key.
Again, I only /think/ Philip said that, watch as others take my word as a direct quote that it isn't, though. >.>

Another more practical angle, I do enjoy building in SL, not as much as coding, however I do consider myself a competent builder, I haven't had any bad problems, but I will say first and foremost, don't build while on wireless, unless your wireless sytem can handle UDP properly. Building in SL is one of the truely amazing things you can do in this truely amazing world, and while it's not perfect, it's what this world is about, we should thank Linden Lab for developing such a unique and wonderful concept, and making it happen as far as it has.